spf@whuts.UUCP (Steve Frysinger of Blue Feather Farm) (04/07/88)
> If you really want to change the system, I think that having employers > pay the costs of education is more realistic. > -Tom Who do you suppose pays it now? I worked "blue collar" jobs to get myself through college, but sure didn't go to an Ivy League school. As far as I can tell, students in "the right" schools have their way paid by some combination of (1) their parents savings; (2) industrial scholarships; (3) government-sponsored loans. I speculate (note the lack of data) that mechanism (1) ultimately comes from the same (broadly defined) industry that will receive the graduate, and (2) clearly does. (3) will be repayed by the student out of their industrial salary. This doesn't even consider the "donation" programs which keep companies visible in universities as a recruiting/sales ploy. So, again, if not industry, who pays for schooling now? I think this is why there is less education in modern schooling and more vocational emphasis. The student's parents (1) want them to burn their savings on something "worthwhile", or the sponsoring industry (2) only gives to vocational majors, or the student wants to be sure and get a job so they can repay the loans (3). Steve Frysinger, a certified "BA Generalist" who got a job anyway. *** Thou art beside thyself. Much learning hath made thee mad. -- Festus (the one in Acts, not Dodge City!)
animal@im4u.UUCP (Jeremy B. Blatt) (04/08/88)
In article <4103@whuts.UUCP> spf@whuts.UUCP (Steve Frysinger of Blue Feather Farm) writes: >> If you really want to change the system, I think that having employers >> pay the costs of education is more realistic. >> -Tom > >Who do you suppose pays it now? I worked "blue collar" jobs to get >myself through college, but sure didn't go to an Ivy League school. >As far as I can tell, students in "the right" schools have their >way paid by some combination of > (1) their parents savings; > (2) industrial scholarships; > (3) government-sponsored loans. >I speculate (note the lack of data) that mechanism (1) ultimately comes >from the same (broadly defined) industry that will receive the >graduate, and (2) clearly does. (3) will be repayed by the >student out of their industrial salary. >So, again, if not industry, who pays for schooling now? >Steve Frysinger, having gone to one of `the right' schools, i might point out that you neglected to mention some significant sources of education financing. i worked full-time every summer when i was in college, worked three years in school for food services, and served as a teaching assistant one semester. my tuition was reduced in part by intelligent management of my school's endowment, and also in part by the generosity of the alumni. my school is private, but no doubt the government helped in many ways to finance my education. a working spouse also helps, though i didn't have this luxury. while industry certainly is important in financing education, but there are many other sources of funds. also, your argument that some funds (e.g., parental savings) ultimately come from industry is vacuous; certainly any dollar bill could be traced back to industry, but so what? industry has no say over how my parents spend their money, so industry is irrelevant in this respect. the big problem in higher education is additudinal. almost everyone from state senators down to students view an education as nothing more than job training. yes, job training is important, but education should have other goals. whatever happened to going to school so you could *learn*? how about so you could grow as a person? how about so you could meet new people from different backrounds? how about educating people so they can intelligently participate in our democracy? how about teaching people so together we can learn more? how about teaching people so that they can contribute to society something more than just their labor? how about education because education is good? as for industry paying for education, i suspect that they don't pay much in terms of what they get under the current system. if they didn't, they'd set up their own schools. i would certainly be in favor of an increase in corporate taxes to help finance education, particularly need-based scholarships, loan guarantees, etc. -- jeremy
tlh@cs.purdue.EDU (Thomas L. Hausmann) (04/08/88)
In article <2637@im4u.UUCP>, animal@im4u.UUCP (Jeremy B. Blatt) writes: > In article <4103@whuts.UUCP> spf@whuts.UUCP (Steve Frysinger of Blue Feather Farm) writes: > >> If you really want to change the system, I think that having employers > >> pay the costs of education is more realistic. > >> ****-Tom**** Just a reminder that I posted someone's comments in that article...not my own. -Tom (Set flames low...thanks.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tom Hausmann Dept. of Computer Sciences Purdue University tlh@mordred.cs.purdue.edu | My ideas? There has never been an original ...!purdue!tlh | thought since Plato.