[comp.edu] videodisc summary.

roseg@TAURUS.BITNET (08/20/90)

A while ago I posted the following request for information:

     I  need  info  on  available  systems  for  interactive
     video-disc  use.    Basically,  what  I'd  like  to  do
     is  show  a film sequence, pause and interact with  the
     user.  The   system   has  to   be  able to show moving
     sequences (single frame is of no use to me).

     I mention video-disc because this seems most  likely  -
     but  if  you  have  knowledge  of  VCR with these capa-
     bilities or any other media let me know.

and here is a summary of the responses. I took  the  liberty
of  editing the messages somewhat, but mostly in eliminating
mail headers and personal parts.

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     From black@seismo.CSS.GOV

     The Panasonic optical disk recorder  although  somewhat
     expensive,  gives  you  excellent  control  over  which
     frames are to be diplayed.  RS232 control.   The  disks
     cost  about  $150  for  24000  frames of data.  You can
     record single frames or continuous or a 100-at-a-whack,
     etc.   You  can rapidly index (like under 1 sec) to any
     frame on the disk.  The base unit is about  $11-$14000.
     We use these for image storage and they have been quite
     handy.

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     From martin@IRO.UMontreal.CA

     You're message isn't clear as to wich type of  interac-
     tion you need and if it's computer based.  I'll assumed
     that  you  want  a  computer  controlled   video   with
     mouse&screen interaction.

     Basicaly, any computer with a serial port can control a
     laser disc, equipped with the RS-232c interface.

     The cheapest combination I can think  of  is  an  Amiga
     500,  with  Amigavision and Pionner 4200.  You can also
     take the cheapest mac (plus), and  Hypercard  with  the
     same  videodisc  player.   A  PC  base system should be
     available, but I have no info on that.

     One advantage of the amiga, is the color and the possi-
     bility  of cheaply (<200$) combining the video and com-
     puter graphics on one screen.

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     From kowtko@cogsci.edinburgh.ac.uk

     I  did  research  in  1989  in  California  using  some
     recently-  released (Sept 89) English language-teaching
     software on one such computer.  It was the older (1988)
     version of the Sony VIEW system.  I forgot exactly what
     it was called.  (PCx510?) The basic unit  had  an  IBM-
     compatible PC with Video disc unit and floppy drive.  I
     installed a 20-MB hard disk and a compact disc  player.
     The  system  was around $10,000 in total.  We connected
     it to a sun computer via terminal  port,  so  we  could
     transfer CD files.

     The software did all sorts  of  manipulation,  such  as
     what  you  need:  showing video segments, showing video
     stills, playing sound off the CD, and  mixing  computer
     graphics  and  video  stuff (e.g. displaying video in a
     small corner of the computer screen,  keeping  computer
     graphics  in  the  other  3 quarters).  Being more of a
     linguist than a programmer, I don't  know  exactly  how
     the  video control worked.  I think the video and sound
     (CD) both could be controlled down to milliseconds, and
     certainly  tenths of a second.  Because it was language
     teaching software, it had video repeats of people  say-
     ing  one  sentence, like auto- rewind and play.  It was
     very neat.

     Sony has since come out with a  VGA(?)-compatible  sys-
     tem,  with  better  graphics.  The older system's video
     wobbled a bit when displayed concurrently  with  graph-
     ics.   Their  CD  players  were  newly designed and had
     occasional  flaws,  which  I'm   sure   they've   since
     improved.  Sony service was tolerable, not good.

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     From mailer@miamiu.bitnet

     You don't mention a platform so...

     MS-DOS: IBM sells  infowindows.   Works  well.  Typical
     IBM product with steep learning curve.

     Mac: Course of Action.  Very easy  to  learn  and  use.
     Works well.  Controls videodisk and VTR's.

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     From cvelotta@cipc1.dayton.ncr.com

     You might consider Digital Video Interactive (DVI) from
     Intel.   It can integrate full-motion, color video with
     hi-fi audio, text, animation,  still  photos,  and  any
     other  information  that can be digitized and stored on
     disk.  Intel uses one board for recording and  one  for
     playback.   Unlike  videodisk,  DVI digitizes the video
     image so it can be stored on a hard disk  or  a  CD-ROM
     disk.   With  Intel's  compression/decompression  tech-
     niques, you can store  an  average  of  72  minutes  of
     full-motion,  full-screen  video  accompanied  by hi-fi
     audio or 100,000 still photos  and  five  hours  of  AM
     (low-quality) audio on one CD-ROM disk.

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     From wilcox%hydra.unm.edu@ariel.unm.edu

     You need to look into two items, one hardware the other
     software.   The  hardware is the RasterOps Video Color-
     board 364. It will allow you to show live-action  video
     images  (e.g.,  from  camera, VCR, or I-Videodisk) in a
     window on your color Mac monitor (32  bit  color).  The
     software is MacroMind Director.

     I am not yet using this equipment but soon will be,  to
     do  a  multimedia  sign  language dictionary (words and
     definitions stored  on  videodisk,  interface  done  in
     Hypercard  and Director). From what I have been able to
     determine (users, reviews, friends, etc) these are  two
     excellent products.

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     From finkel@taurus.bitnet

     If you aren't restricted to PC's, you can always use an
     Amiga. We have a new software called AmigaVision, which
     is commodore's answer to HyperCard. The look at feel is
     totally  different,  but  the  target is the same. This
     program is intended to construct  Multi-Media  applica-
     tion  with very little programming knowledge, if any at
     all.  the programming metaphore is based on  icons  and
     is very easy to use, even by non techies.

     The program directly supports several  RS-232  operated
     video  discs ( a few pioneer models, a few sony models,
     and a few more I forgot - about 15 models total ).

     best of all - AmigaVision should be bundeled  with  any
     new Amiga.

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     From zaft@suned1.Nswses.Navy.Mil

     There's a company called Computer Teaching  Corporation
     in  Champaign,  IL;  they have a product called TenCORE
     which is an authoring system for CBI.  It has extensive
     video-disc capability.

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     From tbandit@ATHENA.MIT.EDU

     I have developed some tools to  use  within  the  WingZ
     spreadsheet  program  on  the  Mac  which  allow you to
     select segments off a videodisc and assign  them  to  a
     picture  icon  which  you  paste on the spreadsheet and
     whenever you click on them it will play  that  segement
     back.   We are currently driving a Pioneer 4200, but it
     would no be hard at all to switch it to another  video-
     disc   player.    The  digitizer  is  specific  to  the
     ColorSpace IIi card from  MassMicro.   This  card  will
     also  allow  for the mixing of graphics and video on an
     NTSC screen.  They also make one of these for  the  Mac
     SE.  These cost about $1500 and $1800 respectively.  If
     you wish to view the video in real time on the  Mac  II
     screen  you need to get a ColorSpace FX board to add on
     (+- $2500) this card also does some cool effect to  the
     video.   A special video board is not necesary.  We are
     currently working on a presentation tool for the Macin-
     tosh line of computers using videodisc players or VCRs.
     Let me know if you are interested.

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     From mailer@icnucevx.bitnet

     I have a Sony VO9600 P U-matic SP (this is a high  band
     U-matic) and a Sony VO7630 U-matic (this is a true mul-
     tistandard VCR) equipped with BKU701  RS232  interfaces
     and  a  FGC700  frame  code  generator.  These are con-
     trolled with a Sun workstation using a  simple  library
     of functions I wrote in C.  The FCG700 adds to a normal
     PAL video source a "frame  code".   This  is  a  signal
     encoded  in  the  vertical  interval time, more or less
     similar to the VITC (SMPTE in the US,  EBU  in  Europe)
     code.   That signal identifies each frame with a unique
     number.  The BKU701 interface (that plugs into the VCR)
     can  decode  that  frame number and can control all the
     VCR functions (even the eject cassette function!).  The
     system  can  work with rs232 that has 8 data bit 1 stop
     bit no parity (this is not selectable) and speeds  from
     1200  to  9600  baud (this *is* switch selectable). The
     9600 was $5500, the 7630 was $3500, the 700 $2000,  and
     the 701 $350. Any Sony series 9xxx and 7xxx can be used
     with the BKU701 so you can chose the one that suits you
     (there are even cheap players).

     If you need a higher quality  (MII,  Betacam,  1"  open
     reel,   D1   or  D2  digital)  all  professional  grade
     videorecorders have 9pin rs422.

     With some of them you can even use still frame (not  on
     the  one  I  have). I mean that you can use them like a
     videodisk. With the machines I have  the  precision  is
     about 2-3 frames (due to mechanical delays) but you can
     always know *exactly* the real frame #.

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     From jdaly@ATHENA.MIT.EDU

     One division of our project [this is Project  Athena  -
     roseg], the Visual Computing Group (or VCG) has devoted
     its efforts to the development of a multimedia  author-
     ing  language  known  as  Athena  Muse.   Muse has been
     developed by educators for  educators.   It  enables  a
     courseware  developer/faculty member to create applica-
     tions that can use visual, audio and  text  information
     in "windows" on the monitor.

     Muse is not yet commercially available, but  there  are
     plans  to  make a version available within the upcoming
     year.  If you would like to receive more information on
     Athena/VCG/Muse,  I  can  send  you (via postal mail) a
     packet of informational materials.

That's about it. Hope this is some help to  all  the  people
that asked for a summary.

                                     Robert
                                     roseg@taurus.bitnet
                                     roseg@math.tau.ac.il