[comp.dcom.lans] What can you do with an existing fi

jabusch@uiucdcsb.UUCP (01/29/87)

	The problem with most commercial fiber systems is that they are
equivalent to baseband coaxial systems.  That is, they transmit at a given
light frequency (actually a range) and everyone on the fiber uses that 
range.  In order to get multiple stations to transmit near-simultaneously,
each station is in effect running TDM (Time Division Multiplexing).  In 
other words, CSMA/CD, in effect.  More normal systems that provide video,
such as CATV, run broadband networks, each station using a 6MHz range for
the transmission of video.  This allows continuous broadcast of video in
each of many frequency ranges, with receivers tuned to catch the channel
desired.
	In order to support video on fiber, now, you would need buffering
at the receiver to store the incoming data, which would then have to be 
transmitted at higher frequency rates than typically possible from most
video equipment.  The buffering is necessary because the receiver would 
continue to re-create the analog signal from its digital source (fiber)
at the 6MHz rate to provide decent video.  Since the channel is shared 
between multiple transmitters (TDM), the basic data transfer rate would
have to be fast enough to guarantee that no matter how many transmitters
are on a given fiber, enough packets would arrive at the receiver in a
given time frame (forgive me for not doing the appropriate math here) to
keep the receiver buffer from emptying.
	There are a lot of factors to consider here.  One possible aid is
to buffer at the transmit end, so that packets would always be ready to send
when the channel is open for transmission.  This implies that the receiver
is always behind by some "lag" time which is proportionally (or perhaps
exponentially) related to the number of stations on the network.
	Add to this problem the fact that there just aren't too many A-D
(Analog to Digital) Converters out there than can keep up with the 6MHz
bandwidth needed for the video broadcast.  There are people working at
several fiber vendors out there now, trying to solve these problems. 
One proven method for turning a fiber into a broadband system is to
transmit at different freqencies of light.  This is expensive to do, but
technology evolves and costs decrease.  I know of at least one lab that
has done this (right here, the Information Engineering Laboratory, 
University of Illinois, Urbana, Illinois).  It was referred to at the 
time as "Spectrum Sampling".  There is a Master's thesis on it, written 
by Apostolos Dollas, who can now receive e-mail as:
	dollas%mcnc.csnet@RELAY.CS.NET.
There is, of course, much that I haven't even begun to discuss here, and
which I will receive many flames for, if all continues with the SOP
on this net.
	I hope that I've helped a little.

John Jabusch

p.s.	don't bother to send me e-mail.  I am between hosts, and even
though I can post notes from this site, I can't receive mail here.  I will
have another mailing address by the end of the week.

rvk@tiger.UUCP.UUCP (02/08/87)

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How can you set up a fiber optic LAN so that it will later be easy to use the
installed fiber for other services such as video, voice traffic or whatever?

We have recently installed a fiber optic "Ethernet" throughout the campus using
FiberCom equipment (I'm not sure what type of fiber we're using - I can find
out).

I've heard some thoughts that by going with a fiber based network, we will
later be able to fully exploit the potential bandwidth of the glass.  Has
anyone retrofitted an in-place special purpose fiber network to carry
additional traffic, probably using equipment unrelated to the original?  Even
if the cable is multimode, wouldn't the FiberCom equipment have to specifically
forward those "channels" of the cable it was not using if the whole thing were
to work with independently operating equipment?

I am not a fiber wizard, as you might be able to tell, but would be interested
in people's (informed?) thoughts on what might be possible.

Mike Rutenberg
-- 
	Reed College -- Portland, Oregon -- 503/774-9192
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I use a lot of fiber at the AT&T Oklahoma City factory for local networking.
Its a terrific medium.  Unfortunately, vendors are just now starting to 
discover how to make use of the bandwidth.  The limitations of your fiber
net are determined by the electronics plugged into the ends of it.  Unless
you use separate fiber, you are limited to what ever Fibercom can transmit
over the fiber.  Local network fibers are typically 100 micron or 62.5 
micron, multi or graded index, normally used with LED going up to
200 Mega bps.  Fibercom probably has a fused STAR somewhere that makes the
fiber a light bus which allows it to handle ethernet/IEEE 802.3.  I don't
know if anyone is trying to transmit full motion video over ethernet, but
its an interesting idea.  Uncompressed video generates about 90 Mega bps
of data so it could really load a network down.  Artel Communications 
has a 4 X 25 Mega bps (100 Mbps) fiber ring with ethernet interface boxes.
These cost about $9,000 per 8 port box.  Optical Data Systems of Richardson
Texas is a small company who will do about anything you want.  They do fiber
right in my opinion.  They build "dumb" boxes and use the fact that 
bandwidth is cheap on fiber.  For example; their 32 port asynch mux goes 20 Mbps on the fiber because it doesn't try to figure out when a byte has been 
received, or even a bit.  It simply pumps through voltage level values
256,000 per second for each data lead.

AT&T is just now discovering this gaping bandwidth conduit for its 
datacom products and I occasionaly get funny phone calls like "What
would you do with 50 or 100 Mbps if you had it?"  I answer "Anything 
I want."  Only a product manager can ask such  dumb question.  No one
ever asks "How fast should a computer go?"  but for local networks, the
idea is still novel.  Off-the-shelf 200 Mbps LEDs have existed for quite a
while so 100 to 200 Mbps local networks are starting to appear.  Naturally
the smaller companies make them first.  

I know "broadband networks have 250 to 400 Mbps bandwidth."  True,
but have you ever talked, seriously, to a broadband vendor...big 
surprise, after all the hot air disapates, you find that "well, rf modems
that go over 1 Mbps are really expensive, so most bb networks actually go
around 1/4 Mbps!!!  In the last year or two, 10 Mbps "ethermodems" have
come out so people can run ethernet over broadband.  Just ask for pricing
on a 250 Mbps rf modem and watch the salesman start back-pedaling!

Yeah, I know, your can use lower speed rf modems on separate frequency
bands.  All I can say is, as a person who has to live with local networks
every day, I do not want to try and troubleshoot "harmonics" problems and other analogue impairments.  I may have problems with my electronics, like everyone,
but when I go to bed at night, I sleep like a baby because I know that 
my fiber net will not break, degrade, go out of tune, transmit or receive
RFI, and etc.

I am putting in a fiber based ethernet.  I will put in a fiber based 
MAP network next year and I already have a fiber based DATAKIT asynch 
data switch network (over 4000 ports).

Some other big names in fiber electronics are Canoga-Perkins, Fibronics
, Optelcom and, of course, AT&T.  Incidentally, AT&T is introducing a 
metro area video conferencing service called VIVID.  It requires that 
your area be fibered already since it only compresses the video signal
down to 45 Mbps.  

Send me unix mail if you want more fiber, fiber product or VIVID info.

Ray Kellogg   ihnp4!ocsmb!rvk