cwf@cbnews.ATT.COM (Cary W. FitzGerald) (01/17/89)
My organization is about to purchase STARLAN-10 equipment for a medium to large sized LAN (50-80 nodes). Most of the nodes on the network will b 6383's running UNIX. Some of the literature I've gotten talks about "file transfer" and "remote login" software. My question is: what form do these capabilities take? Are there "r" commands (rcp, rlogin), or are these just versions of cu and uucp? Thanks in advance for any information. Cary FitzGerald voice: (614) 860 5021
norm@cfctech.UUCP (Norm Meluch) (01/18/89)
In article <3148@cbnews.ATT.COM> cwf@cbnews.ATT.COM (Cary W. FitzGerald) writes: > >My organization is about to purchase STARLAN-10 equipment.... >Most of the nodes on the network will b 6383's running UNIX. > > "file transfer"? "remote login" ?. > My question is: what form do these capabilities take? > >Cary FitzGerald voice: (614) 860 5021 Here's a summary of the connection of UNIX and DOS over STARLAN as I know it. DOS -> DOS : File Xfer - must use the copy command to transfer file to some shared directory on a UNIX or DOS server and have second machine pick up the file from there. An exception might be PMX STARmail. This might allow direct mailing of files between PC's via a server. Haven't played with that program yet. Remote login - There is a "message service" that allows a DOS client to send a one liner to another client on the network (assuming you know their client name). No real login though. Message appears on client screen in a window overriding *most* software. DOS -> UNIX : File Xfer - As long as a DOS PC is allowed to attatch a virtual drive to a shared directory on the UNIX machine (running DOS server software) the file transfer is as simple as the DOS copy command. Remote Login - STARLAN 10 comes with a terminal emulator called (MS)KERMIT. This program if given the command to "set port net <remote host>" will use a properly installed network adapter as a communications port for "asynch" communication on the network. The remote host is any UNIX server running the STARLAN network software. Not sure if kermit upload and download is possible with this program. Copy is much easier. Guess i should RTFM (*.DOC file). UNIX -> UNIX : File Xfer - RFS is the suggested solution to this problem. This allows local mounting of network advertised file systems/resources and use of them as locally available. Remote Login - via cu command. Again "asynch" communication. UNIX -> DOS : Walk over to PC and see above under DOS -> UNIX. I'm sure that some of the above descriptions can be improved upon. I should add that the capabilities all work *quite* well, and there is a great deal of features that I have left off for the sake of brevity. Administration, Remote printing, Mainframe communication, etc... |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Norman J. Meluch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | Mail:uunet!umix!sharkey!cfctech!norm Voice: (313) 244-1809 | |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | Note: The opinions expressed here are in no way to be confused with valid | |_______ideas or corporate policy._____________________________________________|
les@chinet.chi.il.us (Leslie Mikesell) (01/18/89)
In article <3148@cbnews.ATT.COM> cwf@cbnews.ATT.COM (Cary W. FitzGerald) writes: >My organization is about to purchase STARLAN-10 equipment for a medium to large >sized LAN (50-80 nodes). Most of the nodes on the network will b 6383's running >UNIX. Some of the literature I've gotten talks about "file transfer" and "remote >login" software. My question is: what form do these capabilities take? >Are there "r" commands (rcp, rlogin), or are these just versions of cu and >uucp? I only have experience with the 1Mb starlan, but the AT&T software will provide cu & uucp access over the net, and RFS for mounting remote directories. You should also have a library for compiling programs that use direct TLI or streams connections across the network if you are so inclined. Les Mikesell
les@chinet.chi.il.us (Leslie Mikesell) (01/18/89)
In article <2251@cfctech.UUCP> norm@cfctech.UUCP (Norm Meluch) writes: >Here's a summary of the connection of UNIX and DOS over STARLAN as I know it. > An exception might be PMX STARmail. > This might allow direct mailing of > files between PC's via a server. Haven't played with > that program yet. Yes, you can attach files to a mail message. If you use a unix server, the mail is passed over the network to the normal unix transport (an enhanced /bin/mail is provided to allow binary file handling - too bad everyone doesn't have this). Inbound mail stays in the unix mailbox until the PMX client asks for it so you can read it either way. [MSKERMIT] > Not sure if kermit upload and download > is possible with this program. Copy is much easier. > Guess i should RTFM (*.DOC file). > Yes, mskermit 2.31 and up will do file transfers over the net with the unix host. Also, you can go between 2 dos machines (this should work on any netbios compatible net) by putting one in server mode and connecting to it from another machine. This is handy where you don't have a common server. Les Mikesell
pag@tcsc3b2.UUCP (Philip A. Gross) (01/19/89)
In article <3148@cbnews.ATT.COM>, cwf@cbnews.ATT.COM (Cary W. FitzGerald) writes: > > My organization is about to purchase STARLAN-10 equipment for a medium to large > sized LAN (50-80 nodes). Most of the nodes on the network will b 6383's running > UNIX. > > Some of the literature I've gotten talks about "file transfer" and "remote > login" software. My question is: what form do these capabilities take? > Are there "r" commands (rcp, rlogin), or are these just versions of cu and > uucp? > We recently installed STARLAN-10 at one of our clients running a 3B2/400 and several PC's on it. Files could be transfered by either using the network version of kermit or by simply copying the file to a drive. In the later instance, a directory on the 3B2 is "mounted" to a drive on the PC. For instance, after you have successfully completed the installation of the client software on the PC and have properly defined the name of the server (it is important that you enter '.serve' on the end of the server's nodename) you then reboot the PC so that it can link to the server. Once the PC has linked to the server, you can look at drive N: on the PC, this drive will be automatically linked to a directory on the 3B2. On this 'logical' drive, you will find certain DOS programs such as kermit (a network version) which is used not only for file transfer, but also for performing remote login. Other programs available will allow you to display a DOS directory in a format similar to the 'ls -al' command in UNIX. In the case of having several UNIX boxes linked together using STARLAN-10, you can use cu and uucp to connect to the other machines and transfer files to them. There are special entries which are made in the Systems, Devices, and Dialers files under uucp to establish these capabilities. If you have purchased the Remote File Sharing software for your 6386's, then you will also be able to "mount" directories on your server to directories on the client systems. This will provide you with a easy means of transfering files from one system to another, simply use the UNIX 'cp' command. Some other interesting ways to share directories is to mount the '/dev' directory on your server onto a client's system. Then, say, if the server has a tape drive and the client doesn't you could perform a backup of the client onto tapes on the server. Ie, the backup is done over the STARLAN network. Good luck with your installation, your installation will probably go more easily than our own did. We didn't have any documentation. The documentation didn't arrive for another THREE weeks. But since I had worked with Bell Labs a couple of years ago with their introduction of the 1Mb STARLAN, I had some idea of what I was doing. ========================================+====================================== Philip A. Gross | The Computer Solution Co., Inc. | I haven't heard what I have 1009 Sycamore Square, P.O. Box 716 | to say about that yet. Midlothian, VA 23113-0716 | Voice: (804)794-3491 | ----------------------------------------+-------------------------------------- INTERNET: pag%tcsc3b2@wb3ffv.ampr.org USENET: ...!ames!haven!aplcen!wb3ffv!tcsc3b2!pag UUCP: tcsc3b2!pag (804)794-1514 ATTMAIL: attmail!tcsc3b2!pag ******************************************************************************* The opinions expressed here are strictly mine and nobody elses. ===============================================================================