gblee@maui.cs.ucla.edu (06/20/89)
Hi! folks! Does anybody know any X-window or similar powerful window software which is runing on Dos or Os/2? Any pointer will be appreciated. Please e-mail me. Thank you. --Geunbae Lee, AI-UCLA
griefer@ibmarc.uucp (Allan D. Griefer) (06/21/89)
In a recent append, gblee@CS.UCLA.EDU () writes... >... >Does anybody know any X-window or similar powerful window software >which is runing on Dos or Os/2? ... IBM offers IBM X-Windows for IBM DOS, program number 5709-029. I hope this helps. Opinions are strictly my own, Allan D. Griefer, IBM Almaden Research Center, San Jose, CA BITNET: GRIEFER at ALMADEN Internet: griefer@ibm.com UUCP: ...!uunet!ibmarc!griefer
dixon@gumby.paradyne.com (0000-Tom Dixon(0000)) (06/30/89)
In article <903@ks.UUCP> griefer@ibmarc.UUCP (Allan D. Griefer) writes: >IBM offers IBM X-Windows for IBM DOS, program number 5709-029. I hope this >helps. > >Allan D. Griefer, IBM Almaden Research Center, San Jose, CA This sounds like a huge nightmare. What are the system requirements for the DOS Machine? I was under the impression that X was very large and precessor intensive for your average unix machine. I would think it would drop a 20 Mhz Model 80 to its knees! Tom Dixon uunet!pdn!dixon
rogers@falcon.SRC.Honeywell.COM (Brynn Rogers) (06/30/89)
In article <6327@pdn.paradyne.com> dixon@gumby.paradyne.com (0000-Tom Dixon) writes: >In article <903@ks.UUCP> griefer@ibmarc.UUCP (Allan D. Griefer) writes: >>IBM offers IBM X-Windows for IBM DOS, program number 5709-029. I hope this >>helps. >>Allan D. Griefer, IBM Almaden Research Center, San Jose, CA >This sounds like a huge nightmare. What are the system requirements for >the DOS Machine? >I was under the impression that X was very large and precessor intensive for >your average unix machine. I would think it would drop a 20 Mhz Model 80 to >its knees! We have Graphics Software systems PC-XVIEW up and running on a compaq 386/25. I takes about 500k to run (after all the various drivers are loaded, your mileage will vary) and really smokes! it is designed for a 286, so It probably works tolerably fast on one of those. Believe it or not, it will even work with EGA. it works with most of the 800x600 super-VGAs, but we use DGIS (Nec MVA1024-- a TI 34010 with 1024x768). I haven't used X a whole lot yet, but it's operation is apparently faster than a 3/60. Gotchas: you have to have a exelan lan board (TCP/IP in ROM) 800-900 $$ (they have/almost have a version for other boards, it is in beta) even though your VGA or DGIS can handle 256 colors in their max resolution modes, the drivers can only handle 16 colors. Disclaimer: I have nothing to do with GSS. Brynn Rogers Honeywell S&RC rogers@src.honeywell.com nic.MR.net!srcsip!rogers
terry@eecea.eece.ksu.edu (Terry Hull) (06/30/89)
In article <6327@pdn.paradyne.com> dixon@gumby.paradyne.com (0000-Tom Dixon) writes: >In article <903@ks.UUCP> griefer@ibmarc.UUCP (Allan D. Griefer) writes: >>IBM offers IBM X-Windows for IBM DOS, program number 5709-029. I hope this >>helps. > >This sounds like a huge nightmare. What are the system requirements for >the DOS Machine? > >I was under the impression that X was very large and precessor intensive for >your average unix machine. I would think it would drop a 20 Mhz Model 80 to >its knees! > That is true, if you were running both the client programs and the server on the DOS machine. I am certain the IBM product is only a X server and does not provide the capability of running clients on the DOS machine. You have to connect the DOS box up to a UNIX host running X before the product will be usable. You are correct that X provides quite a burden for DOS. Most X servers that run under DOS will not support a large number of windows, even with the clients running on the UNIX box. -- Terry Hull Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering, Kansas State University Work: terry@eecea.eece.ksu.edu, rutgers!ksuvax1!eecea!terry Play: tah386!terry@eecea.eece.ksu.edu, rutgers!ksuvax1!eecea!tah386!terry
smvorkoetter@watmum.waterloo.edu (Stefan M. Vorkoetter) (07/01/89)
In article <6327@pdn.paradyne.com> dixon@gumby.paradyne.com (0000-Tom Dixon) writes: >In article <903@ks.UUCP> griefer@ibmarc.UUCP (Allan D. Griefer) writes: > >I was under the impression that X was very large and precessor intensive for >your average unix machine. I would think it would drop a 20 Mhz Model 80 to >its knees! I am currently running X-Windows on my 25MHz Model 70 under AIX with no speed problems at all. As a matter of fact, it appears much faster than my supervisor's SUN 3/60. Stefan Vorkoetter Waterloo Maple Software watmath!wmsimum!stefan
Dion_L_Johnson@cup.portal.com (07/01/89)
Tom Dixon wrote:
-In article <903@ks.UUCP> griefer@ibmarc.UUCP (Allan D. Griefer) writes:
->IBM offers IBM X-Windows for IBM DOS, program number 5709-029. I hope this
->helps.
->Allan D. Griefer, IBM Almaden Research Center, San Jose, CA
-This sounds like a huge nightmare. What are the system requirements for
-the DOS Machine?
-I was under the impression that X was very large and precessor intensive for
-your average unix machine. I would think it would drop a 20 Mhz Model 80 to
-its knees!
-Tom Dixon
-uunet!pdn!dixon
I've been playing with SCO's implementation of X on the 386 (the
"Open Desktop" product) and it seems to perform OK. If you're a real
speeder, you will be interested in the X-server-on-a-coprocessor-board
implementations which are planned by some of the graphics board
companies. Of course, the 386 is not a wimp CPU, but
even so, I have to conclude that the X architecture is reasonably
efficient.
Dion L Johnsonstank@anvil.WV.TEK.COM (Stan Kalinowski) (07/05/89)
In article <24828@srcsip.UUCP> rogers@falcon.UUCP (Brynn Rogers) writes: >>I was under the impression that X was very large and precessor intensive for >>your average unix machine. I would think it would drop a 20 Mhz Model 80 to >>its knees! > >We have Graphics Software systems PC-XVIEW up and running on a compaq 386/25. >I takes about 500k to run (after all the various drivers are loaded, >your mileage will vary) and really smokes! it is designed for a 286, so >It probably works tolerably fast on one of those. Believe it or not, >it will even work with EGA. it works with most of the 800x600 super-VGAs, >but we use DGIS (Nec MVA1024-- a TI 34010 with 1024x768). We have PC-XVIEW up on a IBM-PC AT with an EGA graphics adapter. While the fact that it runs at all in 640K bytes of ram is impressive, I personally would not want to be forced to use it all day long. It's too slow and the screen resolution is too low. I should temper this remark by stating that I normally use a 20 MHz 68020 Unix workstation with 16 Mb of system ram and a high resolution (1376x1024) display, and so my opinions are biased against smaller/slower machines. I suspect that a 386 and a graphics board that has some sort of accelerator (e.g. the DGIS) is the minimum practical configuration for PC-XVIEW. Of course, such a system would probably run Unix and X just fine, so why bother with MS-DOS? :-) (no flames, please!) stank US Mail: Stan Kalinowski, Tektronix, Inc., Interactive Technologies Division PO Box 1000, MS 61-028, Wilsonville OR 97070 Phone:(503)-685-2458 e-mail: {ucbvax,decvax,allegra,uw-beaver}!tektronix!orca!stank or stank@orca.WV.TEK.COM
kemnitz@mitisft.Convergent.COM (Gregory Kemnitz) (07/06/89)
In article <665@eecea.eece.ksu.edu> terry@eecea.UUCP (Terry Hull) writes: >In article <6327@pdn.paradyne.com> dixon@gumby.paradyne.com (0000-Tom Dixon) writes: >>In article <903@ks.UUCP> griefer@ibmarc.UUCP (Allan D. Griefer) writes: >>>IBM offers IBM X-Windows for IBM DOS, program number 5709-029. I hope this ^^^^^^^ Isn't this for IBM <Mainframe> DOS, as opposed to MS-DOS?? > [stuff deleted] ----------------------------------+-------------------------------------- Greg Kemnitz | Software without hardware is an idea. kemnitz@Convergent.COM | Hardware without software is a space heater. | | --Unknown author
jbvb@ftp.COM (James Van Bokkelen) (07/07/89)
In article <6327@pdn.paradyne.com>, dixon@gumby.paradyne.com (0000-Tom Dixon(0000)) writes: > This sounds like a huge nightmare. What are the system requirements for > the DOS Machine? Of the three Xs I've used, all run fine in an 8Mhz AT with 640K. I've never tried them in a 512K at, or an XT. The "AX/DS" product HP has announced has most of the X code in a special display card, so it can create DOS sub-processes with about 350K available. The other two (one a product a vendor never released, the other from GSS) both run on conventional EGAs. I can't find the manual for the GSS version, but the unreleased product uses all of 640K when running. The unreleased product did have to leave out a few bells and whistles, like ScreenSaver, bell-volume control, keyclick control, mouse acceleration control and "backing store", whatever that is, I don't know about the others. All three Xs were/are run on top of our PC/TCP transport stack, so they can be run on any network media or card we support. -- James B. VanBokkelen 26 Princess St., Wakefield, MA 01880 FTP Software Inc. voice: (617) 246-0900 fax: (617) 246-0901
njs@scifi.UUCP (Nicholas J. Simicich) (07/09/89)
In article <763@mitisft.Convergent.COM> kemnitz@mitisft.UUCP (Greg Kemnitz) writes: ->>>In article <903@ks.UUCP> griefer@ibmarc.UUCP (Allan D. Griefer) writes: ->>>>IBM offers IBM X-Windows for IBM DOS, program number 5709-029. I hope this -> ^^^^^^^ ->Isn't this for IBM <Mainframe> DOS, as opposed to MS-DOS?? Nope. PC/DOS. -- Nick Simicich --- uunet!bywater!scifi!njs --- njs@ibm.com (Internet)