brian@t2ns1.gcs.co.nz (11/08/89)
Hi y'all. Has anybody ever come across a printer hanging directly off a thick enet transceiver? We have a situation here where such a printer would be invaluable. Obviously it would need appropriate intelligence to handle addresses, domains etc. with it's card. Preferably a laser, HP II compat. There are three minis on our lan, running TCP/IP, Thick+thin, B20's, Pacnet etc. etc. etc. Any and all help greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, -- Brian Burroughs (I know I have a boring .sig!), Govt Computing Service Ltd, _________ P.O. Box 11-642, Manners Street, Wellington, New Zealand. _________ ______________ Voice: +64 4 801-8000 Fax: +64 4 801-8888 __________________ _____________________ Email: brian@t2ns1.gcs.co.nz __________________________
david@ms.uky.edu (David Herron -- One of the vertebrae) (11/12/89)
Imagen used to have ethernet interfaces for their printers that talked TCP/IP.
I suppose they probably still do have such an interface ...
of course they're not HPLJ-II compatible either :-)
uhm .. (I'm famous for that "uhm") .. why wouldn't it work to hang
the printer off a terminal server? Or do you not have any terminal
servers?
Something I've always wondered about ... most workstations come with
a serial port. Does anybody use that serial port for a local printer?
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<- New official address: attmail!sparsdev!dsh@attunix.att.comroy@phri.UUCP (Roy Smith) (11/14/89)
In <13207@s.ms.uky.edu> david@ms.uky.edu (David Herron) writes: > Something I've always wondered about ... most workstations come with > a serial port. Does anybody use that serial port for a local printer? Most of our diskless Sun-3s (2 RS-232 ports each) have one (or sometimes 2) serial devices hanging off the back of them, either terminals running normal logins or printers of various sorts. I'm not sure what you mean by "local" printer; all our Sun-driven printers are accessable via the normal Unix lpr mechanism. -- Roy Smith, Public Health Research Institute 455 First Avenue, New York, NY 10016 {att,philabs,cmcl2,rutgers,hombre}!phri!roy -or- roy@alanine.phri.nyu.edu "The connector is the network"
perand@nada.kth.se (Per Andersson) (11/14/89)
In article <13207@s.ms.uky.edu> david@ms.uky.edu (David Herron -- One of the vertebrae) writes: >uhm .. (I'm famous for that "uhm") .. why wouldn't it work to hang >the printer off a terminal server? Or do you not have any terminal >servers? One reason could be the lack of speed - most printers with RS232 interfaces only manage 9600 BPS, some 19200 BPS. One nice product I've seen is by an english company called Software Products. They take a Canon chassi and connect a parallell cable to a VME card for SUNs they developed. This makes the printer work as fast as it can, but I dont know what youre supposed to send to the card. I suppose it's a bitmap, and possibly only their own DTP program work with it. Per -- Per Andersson Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden perand@admin.kth.se, @tds.kth.se, @nada.kth.se or perhaps {backbone}!sunic!ttds!perand
mhampson@wpi.wpi.edu (Mark A. Hampson) (11/14/89)
I have recently seen an add in Computer Shopper for a device that will
allow an HP-LJ to be placed on a "LAN". As to the protocal that it will
speak, the add did not say, but we are asking for info from the company
as I write.
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Would you mind specifying which Computer Shopper, or what the company was? - Gary Chapman
ggw@wolves.uucp (Gregory G. Woodbury) (11/20/89)
In article <5582@wpi.wpi.edu> mhampson@wpi.wpi.edu (Mark A. Hampson) writes: >I have recently seen an add in Computer Shopper for a device that will >allow an HP-LJ to be placed on a "LAN". As to the protocal that it will >speak, the add did not say, but we are asking for info from the company >as I write. Additionally, the latest QMS ad in Computer Systems News (I think - could have been MIS Week or Unix Today) talks about their upper end print engines and that the "talk directly to your ethernet". QMS is in Mobile Alabama, (USA) <Standard disclaimer: not connected to QMS, nor a customer> -- Gregory G. Woodbury Sysop/owner Wolves Den UNIX BBS, Durham NC UUCP: ...dukcds!wolves!ggw ...dukeac!wolves!ggw [use the maps!] Domain: ggw@cds.duke.edu ggw@ac.duke.edu ggw%wolves@ac.duke.edu Phone: +1 919 493 1998 (Home) +1 919 684 6126 (Work) [The line eater is a boojum snark! ] <standard disclaimers apply>
neil@cpd.com (Neil Gorsuch) (11/20/89)
In article <1989Nov7.210143.26795@t2ns1.gcs.co.nz> brian@t2ns1.gcs.co.nz writes: >Has anybody ever come across a printer hanging directly off a thick >enet transceiver? We have a situation here where such a printer would >be invaluable. Obviously it would need appropriate intelligence to >handle addresses, domains etc. with it's card. First, let me warn you that I am biased towards the following solution, since we just introduced it as a new product. I assume that since you can't put it on one of the serial ports already existing on one of your machines that you need a Centronics parallel port for the printer. Our new box allows you to add a Centronics parallel port (and some serial ports) onto the SCSI port of Sun's and other machines, while using the standard tty drivers already in the machine, thus allowing network printer access via entries in /etc/printcap files. -- Neil Gorsuch INTERNET: neil@cpd.com UUCP: uunet!zardoz!neil MAIL: 1209 E. Warner, Santa Ana, CA, USA, 92705 PHONE: +1 714 546 1100 Uninet, a division of Custom Product Design, Inc. FAX: +1 714 546 3726 AKA: root, security-request, uuasc-request, postmaster, usenet, news
vanden@studsys.mu.edu (vandenberg) (11/23/89)
I'm not sure if it speaks tcp/ip but LAN Systems LAN Port might work. We
will be using one on a Novell network(ipx) in a week or two. Supposedly
it has all the workings of an ethernet station in a box the size of a hand
then just a serial port to plug in a device.
If anyone is interested I can post something when we get it in(the 2 weeks
was what our distributer said :-) ).......or if you want, the phone and
address for LANsystems follow.
LANsystems, 5009 Broadway New York, NY 10012
212-431-1255 tech supt or 212-431-8484 sales???
Usual disclaimer RE: only satisfied cust. and so
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Tom Vandenberg {..uunet..uwvax!uwmcsd1..}!marque!studsys!vanden
vanden%studsys@marque.UUCP {..uwvax..arpa..}!studsys.mu.edu!vandenralph@hpspdra.HP.COM (Ralph Pursifull) (11/23/89)
| Would you mind specifying which Computer Shopper, or what the | company was? |- Gary Chapman And which page number? Ralph Pursifull
stullich@quando.UUCP (Thomas Stullich) (11/26/89)
We use some HP-Laserjet over LAN (TCP/IP) via Terminalserver. We also
have an interface which you can append to /usr/spool/lp/interface/* (on
UNIX-Systems), so the printer-scheduler has not to be modified.
costs for terminalserver with 6 RS232-Ports: about 2500 $
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Germany internet: stullich%quando%UNIDO.bitnet@mitvma.mit.eduphil@delta.eecs.nwu.edu (William LeFebvre) (11/28/89)
In article <1989Nov7.210143.26795@t2ns1.gcs.co.nz> brian@t2ns1.gcs.co.nz writes: >Has anybody ever come across a printer hanging directly off a thick >enet transceiver? We have a situation here where such a printer would >be invaluable. Obviously it would need appropriate intelligence to >handle addresses, domains etc. with it's card. YES! QMS/Imagen sells printers that sit DIRECTLY on the ethernet. There is *NO* ethernet/parallel box sitting inbetween! The one that I am familiar with is the Imagen 2308. It is the standard Canon LBP-CX engine. It comes with a separate processor box and, as an option, you can get a 3-com ethernet card to go in the box (this option also comes with the appropriate printer software to speak TCP and UDP). We had two of these when I was a Rice and they worked wonderfully well. The only downside is the price. They are, compared to most laser printers, very expensive (on the order of $10,000). They don't come with postscript, but you can get "UltraScript" as an option. The combination of ethernet, imPress (a compact printer language), and multiprocessors (the 2308 has 3 separate 68000 processors in it) make it a very fast laser printer. Unless you're printing a LARGE bitmap or alot of vectors in Tektronix mode, the printer itself is always the bottleneck---the page processing is always ahead of the printing. William LeFebvre Department of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science Northwestern University <phil@eecs.nwu.edu>
mrm@sceard.Sceard.COM (M.R.Murphy) (11/28/89)
In article <1989Nov20.091640.22224@cpd.com> neil@uninet.UUCP (Neil Gorsuch) writes: >In article <1989Nov7.210143.26795@t2ns1.gcs.co.nz> brian@t2ns1.gcs.co.nz writes: >>Has anybody ever come across a printer hanging directly off a thick >>enet transceiver? We have a situation here where such a printer would >>be invaluable. Obviously it would need appropriate intelligence to >>handle addresses, domains etc. with it's card. > >First, let me warn you that I am biased towards the following >solution, since we just introduced it as a new product. [remainder of advertisement deleted...] Not much need to invent new hardware, since the same can be accomplished with off the shelf stuff for less than $500. Not a direct connect, but then, almost direct oughtta be good enough, especially if it's fast. BTW, in disclaimer mode, appropriate it is, and in back-handed advertisement mode, inappropriate though it may be, we make such a box as a product that we sell for more than it costs us to make. Details of implementation, features, and color of case withheld to retain a semblance of non-commercialism:-) -- Mike Murphy Sceard Systems, Inc. 544 South Pacific St. San Marcos, CA 92069 mrm@Sceard.COM {hp-sdd,nosc,ucsd,uunet}!sceard!mrm +1 619 471 0655
jml@tw-rnd.SanDiego.NCR.COM (Michael Lodman) (11/30/89)
>In article <1989Nov7.210143.26795@t2ns1.gcs.co.nz> brian@t2ns1.gcs.co.nz writes: >Has anybody ever come across a printer hanging directly off a thick >enet transceiver? We have a situation here where such a printer would >be invaluable. Obviously it would need appropriate intelligence to >handle addresses, domains etc. with it's card. Talaris Systems in San Diego makes what they refer to as an Ethernet Printstation. It attaches directly to the ethernet. They also support many different printer emulations such as HPPL, HPGL, and Postscript. Their phone number is : (619) 587-0787.