Brian_C_McBee@cup.portal.com (09/22/90)
We have MS mail running on our appletalk network, shich is connected to our ethernet with a Kinetics Fastpath. What is our best bet for gatewaying MS-MAIL to SMTP? Failing that, how about MS-MAIL to VAXMAIL? SMTP would be best, but we'll take what we can get. Thanks.
robin@csuchico.edu (Robin Goldstone) (09/24/90)
In article <34162@cup.portal.com> Brian_C_McBee@cup.portal.com writes: >We have MS mail running on our appletalk network, shich is connected to >our ethernet with a Kinetics Fastpath. What is our best bet for gatewaying >MS-MAIL to SMTP? Failing that, how about MS-MAIL to VAXMAIL? SMTP would >be best, but we'll take what we can get. Thanks. We are running Cayman's GatorMail-M, which is (to my knowledge) the only MS Mail to SMTP gateway available. The product is newly released and has a few bugs which Cayman is working on. We are using it mainly to talk to our VAX, which is running Matt Madison's MX Mailer (SMTP <-> VAXmail) on top of CMU/TEK TCP-IP. There are also several direct MS Mail <-> VAXmail solutions. One is from Pacer and the other from Alisa. I have not evaluated these. We decided that the SMTP solution was more generic and thus more pratical then having specific gateways to each of our other mail environments. A site license of GatorMail-M is $2000. If you want more details about this product please contact me via private e-mail. Robin Goldstone, Systems Software Specialist California State University, Chico Computing Services robin@csuchico.edu
kdb@macaw.intercon.com (Kurt Baumann) (09/25/90)
In article <34162@cup.portal.com>, Brian_C_McBee@cup.portal.com writes: > We have MS mail running on our appletalk network, shich is connected to > our ethernet with a Kinetics Fastpath. What is our best bet for gatewaying > MS-MAIL to SMTP? Failing that, how about MS-MAIL to VAXMAIL? SMTP would > be best, but we'll take what we can get. Thanks. Give the Cayman people a call. They have a product that I believe is called GatorMail - M, they also have one called GatorMail - Q for QuickMail. These go from MS-Mail/QuickMail to SMTP. Have fun. Kurt -- Kurt Baumann InterCon Systems Corporation 703.709.9890 Creators of fine TCP/IP products 703.709.9896 FAX for the Macintosh.
barnett@grymoire.crd.ge.com (Bruce Barnett) (09/25/90)
In article <1990Sep24.163145.2097@ecst.csuchico.edu> robin@csuchico.edu (Robin Goldstone) writes: > A site license of GatorMail-M is $2000. Well, a commercial site has different pricing...... A 10 user license is about $1000. A 100 user license is about $5000. A 200 user license is about $7000 A site license is $20,000 (not $2000). Call Cayman (617) 494-1999 for more info. Don't take my word on it. The license determines how many Mac users can SEND mail to the SMTP gateway. Anyone can receive mail from SMTP address. You should know that some characters that exist in a Mac mailname are translated in a funky manner. For instance, the address "Barnett, Bruce" on a Microsoft Mail server is converted into "Barnett#m#_Bruce@mac" on the Unix side. If you have this package, you can "tunnel" Mac mail with enclosures to other companies with the same package and the enclosures are still there. That is, someone using this package could send an enclosure from their Mac to my Mac address: barnett@macgw1.crd.ge.com. It could be used to connect to companies with MS mail that prefer not to connect their appletalk networks together. For instance, if Apple had this product, they could mail me Hypercard 2.0! :-) There is still a Unix limitation of maximum mail message size. Maybe Hypercard 2.0 would be too big. They would have to compress it, and I dare not mention any format 'cause the flames would start again. Sigh... -- Bruce G. Barnett barnett@crd.ge.com uunet!crdgw1!barnett
dag@fciva.FRANKLIN.COM (Daniel A. Graifer) (09/29/90)
In article <26FE4E59.1748@intercon.com> kdb@macaw.intercon.com (Kurt Baumann) writes: >In article <34162@cup.portal.com>, Brian_C_McBee@cup.portal.com writes: >> We have MS mail [...] appletalk network [....] Kinetics Fastpath. What is >> our best bet for gatewaying MS-MAIL to SMTP? >GatorMail - M, they also have one called GatorMail - Q for QuickMail. >Kurt Baumann InterCon Systems Corporation I thought the GatorMail products were software to run on the GatorBox. Am I mistaken? Hard to believe that products designed for a GatorBox would run on Kinetics-oops-Novell-oops-Shiva FastPath. What about something utilizing the Columbia Appletalk Protocols? You might also check with Compatible Systems (303)444-9532 for software that is associated with their EtherRoute product (has anyone tried this hardware, by the way?). Also try calling Mt Xinu (K-share product) (415)644-0146 and Information Presentation Technologies (IPT uShare) (818)347-7791. Good luck Dan -- Daniel A. Graifer Franklin Mortgage Capital Corporation uunet!fciva!dag 7900 Westpark Drive, Suite A130 (703)448-3300 McLean, VA 22102 -- Daniel A. Graifer Franklin Mortgage Capital Corporation uunet!dag@fmccva.franklin.com 7900 Westpark Drive, Suite A130 (703)448-3300 McLean, VA 22102
kdb@macaw.intercon.com (Kurt Baumann) (10/02/90)
In article <546@fciva.FRANKLIN.COM>, dag@fciva.FRANKLIN.COM (Daniel A. Graifer) writes: > I thought the GatorMail products were software to run on the GatorBox. Am I > mistaken? Hard to believe that products designed for a GatorBox would run > on Kinetics-oops-Novell-oops-Shiva FastPath. I might be mistaken, but they do sell it as a seperate product. The last I knew it ran with any AppleTalk-IP gateway product. Course this might have changed as well. Anyone listening from Cayman, Brad? Kurt -- Kurt Baumann InterCon Systems Corporation 703.709.9890 Creators of fine TCP/IP products 703.709.9896 FAX for the Macintosh.
ajauch@orion.oac.uci.edu (Alex Jauch) (10/02/90)
In <546@fciva.FRANKLIN.COM> dag@fciva.FRANKLIN.COM (Daniel A. Graifer) writes: >In article <26FE4E59.1748@intercon.com> kdb@macaw.intercon.com (Kurt Baumann) writes: >>In article <34162@cup.portal.com>, Brian_C_McBee@cup.portal.com writes: >>> We have MS mail [...] appletalk network [....] Kinetics Fastpath. What is >>> our best bet for gatewaying MS-MAIL to SMTP? >>GatorMail - M, they also have one called GatorMail - Q for QuickMail. >>Kurt Baumann InterCon Systems Corporation >I thought the GatorMail products were software to run on the GatorBox. Am I >mistaken? Hard to believe that products designed for a GatorBox would run >on Kinetics-oops-Novell-oops-Shiva FastPath. You are mistaken. GatorMail-M and GatorMail-Q run on the Mail server, not the GatorBox. I'm pretty sure that a LocalTalk server should be able to talk to a SMTP host. I'm definately sure that a EtherTalk server can talk to a SMTP host because the TCP/IP stack is implemented locally, not on the GatorBox. Alex Jauch ajauch@orion.oac.uci.edu
matthew@ooc.uva.nl (Matthew Lewis) (10/05/90)
kdb@macaw.intercon.com (Kurt Baumann) writes: >In article <546@fciva.FRANKLIN.COM>, dag@fciva.FRANKLIN.COM (Daniel A. Graifer) >writes: >> I thought the GatorMail products were software to run on the GatorBox. Am I >> mistaken? Hard to believe that products designed for a GatorBox would run >> on Kinetics-oops-Novell-oops-Shiva FastPath. >I might be mistaken, but they do sell it as a seperate product. The last >I knew it ran with any AppleTalk-IP gateway product. Course this might have >changed as well. Anyone listening from Cayman, Brad? >Kurt i When Cayman took over marketing the Mail*Link software from StarNine, they changed the name to GatorMail. This has no relationship to the GatorBox, except that the first 5 letters are the same :-). It will run on a QuickMail center with access to your Unix box via TCP/IP. That means via Ethernet FastPath Multigate GatorBox (Have I left any out? Probably!) We run GatorMail-Q via a Multigate, with no problems. Matthew Lewis -- Matthew Lewis, University of Amsterdam Grote Bickersstraat 72 +31-20-52 51 220 1013 KS Amsterdam Internet: matthew@ooc.uva.nl The Netherlands UUCP: uunet!mcsun!hp4nl!uvabick!matthew