[comp.periphs] Survey of color hardcopy devices

jon@msunix.UUCP (06/06/87)

It seems that every couple months someone asks for advice on color hardcopy
devices, so here is my $0.02 (and that's about all this is worth...)  Not
included are film recorders like Matrix QCRs, Dunn, Celco, Geni, Dicomed,
etc.  I'm talking printers here (though a Matrix 3000 with an 8x10 Polaroid
back would probably qualify).

In order of decreasing quality:

1) Dainippon (sp?) Inkjet Printer - ~$50K-60K.  Big, expensive inkjet
printer from Japan.  Supposedly does 304dpi, and each dot has 64 possible
density levels.  They claim this thing is a digital proofer, I'll believe
that when I see it.  No doubt it's good though.  My manager told me it has
a SCSI interface, and to be ready to write a driver for it because I may
show up for work and find one of these things occupying half my office.

2) IRIS Inkjet Printer - price unknown.  This is another big inkjet printer,
it'll print stuff bigger than a square meter.  They say it takes any type
of media, including fabric.  Hey, I could make T-shirts on it!  The literature
I have says it's 240dpi, but my manager says the one he saw was 400dpi.  I
think I have the Eikonix-Kodak Ektachrome picture on an IRIS print, and it
looks pretty good, greater than 240dpi, so my manager must be right.  The
company is in Boston.  My guess is it is at least $30K.

3) Versatec C2700 - $8995.  This is my favorite under $10K printer.  Thermal
transfer, with optional 4-color donor rolls.  This way you can get a *real*
black, not some gross dark blue masquerading as black.  (100% transfer of the
cyan, magenta, and yellow pigments results in dark blue, not black)
304 dpi, which is acceptable.  The dots are small enough here so you can do
some halftone-dot simulation, and the results don't look to bad (I think it
looks great, Graphic Arts professionals say, "Well, it's certainly acceptable
as a rough comp.")  Seems to exhibit "reverse dot gain".   The pigments absorb
light better when they land on top of each other, rather than on bare paper.
My guess is that when they land on top of each other the thermal print head
melts them all togeether and they spread out, but this doesn't happen when the
dots aren't on top of each other.  Seems to suffer paper jams regularly, but
that may be operator error.  Transparencies jam unless fed one at a time, which
is a pain.  Suffers slight registration problems (possibly due to paper
stretching after the yellow (first) pass thru the printer.  This is only
noticeable in grey backgrounds with a 3-color donor roll.  Since we only
support the 4-color donor roll, this isn't a problem for us.  Centronics
interface, perhaps an RS-170 analog interface in the future.  At NCGA we got
beat up by our customers over lack of *good* color hardcopy, so we took a look
at everything we could find.  This seems to be the best one under $10K.
Versatec is not marketing this thing very well, no one knows about it.  The
problem might be they are used to selling electrostatic plotters to the CAD
types, and they don't know what to do with this new printer.

4) Seiko 5312 - $9995.  I hate this printer.  I've got one of these and the
Versatec in my office.  Guess which one we never use.  It's another thermal
transfer printer, but they only offer 3-color donor rolls.  So you can't get
it to print black, only dark blue.  The 5312 does 203dpi, which is really too
low to do any halftone dot simulation, but the only other option is dithering,
which looks awful.  So you end up with big dots.  When transfering the
pigments to the paper, it doesn't do an adequate job unless you operate it
in bold mode, which heats the thermal print head up more.  I think it needs
to run hotter yet.  50% transfer on the Versatec looks like 50%, 50% on
the Seiko looks like 35%.  One nice feature is that it has buffer memory to
hold a full screen full, so you can do multiple copies.  The Versatec
can't do this.  It comes with a Centronics interface.  For about $1300 more you
can get an RS-170 analog interface, which sucks the big one.  They use totally
retarded algorithms and the results look awful.  My algorithms going into
the Centronics port give far better results than the (RS-170 equipped) Seiko's
internal software, and I'm not even doing anything real whizzy.  Seiko is
certainly marketing this thing well, everyone knows about it, and everyone
I know who has seen one has been brainwashed into thinking it's wonderful.  I
love to see the expression on their faces when they see output from a 4-color
donor roll equipped Versatec.  There is some question as to whether their analog
interface can accept a true RS-170 signal.  Supposedly they want 0-1V, and
we give them -0.3 to +0.7V, so everything comes out dark.

5) Tektronix 4696 Inkjet Printer - $2395.  Well, it's certainly cheap.  About
125dpi as I recall.  Dots are too big for halftoning, so you have to dither,
which looks pretty awful.  Make sure you do under-color removal (replace cmy ink
dots with black), otherwise the paper gets so saturated with ink that it drips
into the little pan.  Seems to suffer from registration problems, so the dots
don't line up too well.  Centronics interface.

6) Tektronix 4692 Inkjet Printer - $12000.  About 152dpi.  Again, forced to
use dithering, and again, awful looking results.  No control over the black
ink - it "decides" for you.  If I want lousy looking hardcopy, I'd use the
4696 - at least it's cheap.  Centronics-"like" interface.  Giving it a strobe
while Busy is true causes it to crash and burn (yeah, I know I'm not supposed
to do that).


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Jonathan Hue	DuPont Design Technologies/Via Visuals      leadsv!msunix!jon

klm@munsell.UUCP (Kevin McBride) (06/23/87)

In article <306@msunix.UUCP> jon@msunix.UUCP (Jonathan Hue) writes:
>
>
>It seems that every couple months someone asks for advice on color hardcopy
>devices, so here is my $0.02 (and that's about all this is worth...)
>...
>...
>2) IRIS Inkjet Printer - price unknown.  This is another big inkjet printer,
>it'll print stuff bigger than a square meter.  They say it takes any type
>of media, including fabric.  Hey, I could make T-shirts on it!  The literature
>I have says it's 240dpi, but my manager says the one he saw was 400dpi.  I
>think I have the Eikonix-Kodak Ektachrome picture on an IRIS print, and it
>looks pretty good, greater than 240dpi, so my manager must be right.  The
>company is in Boston.  My guess is it is at least $30K.

Yes, you can print cloth with it!  But you can't do T-Shirts, sorry.
The head to drum clearance is not sufficient to pass rolled over seams in
the material, I checked. :-)  Also, Iris' inks are water-based, the first
time you wash the fabric, the design is gone.
	(YOW! Have we discovered erasable plotting media?? :-)

You may indeed have our picture on an Iris print.  Both we and Iris were
giving them out at Graph-Expo East last fall.  We had an Iris at our "booth."

We have an Iris ink jet printer (a couple actually).  The model we have will
handle paper up to "E" size.  Price tag is around $125K.  A smaller model
that prints up to 24" x 24" is still up there around $80K.  Not Cheap.
The device is extremely finicky and needs constant attention to keep it
running.  When it works (which, unfortunately, isn't often enough), the
results are beautiful.  We have calibrated our design system to their inks
and have been using it as a quick and dirty proofer.  Not too accurate color
wise, mind you, but certainly good enough to be able to distinguish a picture
from line noise. :-)  My relationship with Iris is as a user, and it's a
Love/Hate relationship; some days I love it, others I hate it.

Iris is aware of the reliability problems and seems to be trying hard to
correct them.

>4) Seiko 5312 - $9995.  I hate this printer.  I've got one of these and the
>Versatec in my office.  Guess which one we never use.

Ditto.  Can you say "Sucks"?  I thought you could.
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