emv@math.lsa.umich.edu (Edward Vielmetti) (01/11/90)
After the nth time of seeing usable information about exabytes go by in comp.sys.dec (when I really want to hook up an exabyte to my Sun), and the inevitable and plentiful questions of "will scsi drive xxx work on computer yyy with os n.m, can you send me a format.dat", I think it's high time for a spinoff from comp.periphs to handle questions regarding SCSI devices. Topics might include: scsi cables, where to buy, what parts to get if you're building your own, things to watch out for, "standard" connectors (hah!). scsi drives, the newest and the lastest, the oldest and the cheapest, who's coming out with what when and how much. guarantees. mtbfs. horror stories. what's inside sealed vendor boxes. scsi adapters, cards for pcs, vmebus, vax bi bus, name your bus there's a scsi bus adapter for it maybe. how to find them. what to expect to pay. what to watch out for. even how to design and build your own, what the hey might as well collect that info if it's out there. scsi formatting, format.dat (or equiv) tables for every drive under the moon, which ones don't work at all. scsi problems, soft ecc errors, head crashes, what to do, how to recover from partial failures. scsi tape units, where to get tapes, switch settings, what works where and how, new backup strategies for high capy media. scsi protocol details, scsi-1 vs scsi-2 vs sync scsi, how to get copies of standards, what looks like the future of the interface, what vendors have botched what, implementation details. scsi software interfaces, the /dev/scsi idea, drivers for disks and tapes, bugs of course and fixes. a scsi-archive-server that'll be armed with the relevant information and how to's, and an anonymous ftp site to collect the same info and archive the discussion. a frequently-asked-questions posting monthly. aggressive vendor support, but of course you know vendors don't quote prices. anything else I missed? I think comp.periphs.scsi is a good name. 12 of the last 43 postings in comp.periphs had the word "scsi" in them, so I think there's going to be traffic. (Here, I've asked at least a dozen questions, so we could start with all of the answers :-). I'll toss this out for general comments. If it's going to fly we need a vote-counter, an archive-server-keeper, and an ftp-site-keeper, and perhaps another disk to store all of the postings. --Ed
pim@cti-software.nl (Pim Zandbergen) (01/12/90)
I think this is a very good idea. There are lots of SCSI related discussions in all the comp.sys groups that are of interest to a wider audience. Crossposting to comp.periphs.scsi would be a good solution. -- Pim Zandbergen domain : pim@cti-software.nl CTI Software BV uucp : uunet!mcsun!hp4nl!ctisbv!pim Laan Copes van Cattenburch 70 phone : +31 70 3542302 2585 GD The Hague, The Netherlands fax : +31 70 3512837
jlohmeye@entec.Wichita.NCR.COM (John Lohmeyer) (01/12/90)
In article <EMV.90Jan11030702@urania.math.lsa.umich.edu> emv@math.lsa.umich.edu (Edward Vielmetti) writes: > >I think it's high time for a spinoff from comp.periphs to >handle questions regarding SCSI devices. I'm for it! Let me know how I can help. I am the sysop of the SCSI BBS and my traffic has also been increasing. I discourage commercial topics on my BBS, so comp.periphs.scsi would be a nice complement to the SCSI BBS which focuses on the standard and the X3T9.2 committee, which wrote SCSI. > >I'll toss this out for general comments. If it's going to fly we need >a vote-counter, an archive-server-keeper, and an ftp-site-keeper, >and perhaps another disk to store all of the postings. > Perhaps I can drum up someone at NCR who knows enough about Unix/Newsgroups to do these things. I'll check if the discussion sounds serious. -- John Lohmeyer J.Lohmeyer@Wichita.NCR.COM NCR Corp. uunet!ncrlnk!ncrwic!entec!jlohmeye 3718 N. Rock Rd. Voice: 316-636-8703 Wichita, KS 67226 SCSI BBS 316-636-8700 300/1200/2400 24 hours
jpb@umbio.miami.edu (Joe Block) (01/13/90)
I vote for comp.periphs.scsi. -- Joe Block jpb@umbio.miami.edu There was a young poet named Dan, whose poetry would never scan, when told this was so, He said "Yes I know", It's because I try to fit every possible sylable into the last line that I can.
emv@math.lsa.umich.edu (Edward Vielmetti) (01/13/90)
In article <1467@umigw.MIAMI.EDU> jpb@umbio.miami.edu (Joe Block) writes:
I vote for comp.periphs.scsi.
thanks for the sentiment, but there's no vote yet... you'll
hear about that when the time comes.
I suppose I should emphasize that this is *not* a discussion to
split comp.periphs, but a discussion regarding a new group with
will draw some of its intended audience from comp.periphs but
also from comp.sys.sun, comp.sys.dec, comp.sys.mac.hardware,
comp.sys.hp (i.e. traditional hardware interface questions) as
well as comp.unix.ultrix, comp.unix.questions (software interface
and configuration questions) plus comp.arch and other theoretical
and futures aspects of scsi.
Still coming up with the list of groups that the initial
call should be x-posted to, I think this covers it pretty well.
--Edmaart@cs.vu.nl (Maarten Litmaath) (01/13/90)
A good idea! Let's have the vote. -- Q: "How do I convert UNIX files to XINU format?" A: "Use rev(1), dumbo." | Maarten Litmaath @ VU Amsterdam: maart@cs.vu.nl, uunet!mcsun!botter!maart
gary@sci34hub.UUCP (Gary Heston) (01/13/90)
This sounds like a useful group, which would benefit a lot of
people. Heck, the box I'm doing this on has 3 scsi devices in
it....
--
Gary Heston { uunet!sci34hub!gary } System Mismanager
SCI Technology, Inc. OEM Products Department (i.e., computers)
Hestons' First Law: I qualify virtually everything I say.p576spz@mpirbn.UUCP (S.Petra Zeidler) (01/14/90)
At least two news-readers of Speckle would like to see such a news-group. (we are occupationally interested ) spz ( Speckle = Institut fuer Optische Interferometrie ) ...!unido!mpirbn!spz or spz@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de ******************************************************************************** * * * THIS IS THE END ... * * of this article * ******************************************************************************** ~ ~ ~
charlie@csnz.co.nz (Charles Lear) (01/16/90)
In article <EMV.90Jan11030702@urania.math.lsa.umich.edu> emv@math.lsa.umich.edu (Edward Vielmetti) writes: >I think it's high time for a spinoff from comp.periphs to >handle questions regarding SCSI devices. I wholeheartedly support such a move. There is a huge aura of mystery around SCSI devices in general, and it seems to clutter up a lot of other newsgroups with SCSI-specific questions. It is an idea whose time has come! Unfortunately, most mail I send outta here bounces all the way to /dev/null, so I don't know whether I'll be able to vote for the newsgroups creation, but please consider this a major push to keep your momentum going! I am sure that a call for votes will result in a landslide in favour of creating comp.periphs.scsi. ============================================================================== Charlie "The Bear" Lear Snail: Box 12-175, Wellington, New Zealand The Cave BBS: 64(4)643429 24hrs V21/23/22/22bis Free Access 157MB online! UUCP: ..!uunet!vuwcomp!dsiramd!csnz!charlie Domain: charlie@csnz.co.nz ==============================================================================