TNETE1NN@CLVM.BITNET.UUCP (04/29/87)
I have a Capetronic 1200 modem. It is said to be fully Hayes compatible and I haven't had any trouble with it until now. If I call a number and it rings, it says "CONNECT ..... RING RESPONSE". However, if there is a busy signal, 90% of the time it says the same thing. Only once in a blue moon, after trying it repeatedly, will it finally disconnect (after about 3 busy signals) and wait 30 sec.'s and try again. This is what it is supposed to do. Can anyone understand this? Maybe it's defective - but this is the ONLY thing that's a problem. Thanx, Mike Rickenbach TNETE1NN@CLVM
pete@wlbr.UUCP (04/30/87)
In article <8704291527.AA14475@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> TNETE1NN@CLVM.BITNET writes: >I have a Capetronic 1200 modem. It is said to be fully Hayes >compatible and I haven't had any trouble with it until now. >If I call a number and it rings, it says "CONNECT ..... RING RESPONSE". Perhaps you have never been exposed to an actual HAYES 1200 - its 'CONNECT' responses are limited to either 'CONNECT' and 'CONNECT 1200'. Additionally, there is no capacity for busy signal detect. 'Busy' or 'no answer' are the same here, i.e. 'NO CARRIER'. -- Pete Lyall Usenet: {trwrb, scgvaxd, ihnp4, voder, vortex}!wlbr!pete Compuserve: 76703,4230 (OS9 SIG Sysop) OS9 (home): (805)-985-0632 (24hr./1200 baud) Phone: (818)-706-5693 (work 9-5 PST) EATON Corp, IMSD, 31717 La Tienda Dr., Westlake Village, Ca. 91359 ----------------------------------------------------------------------
dmkdmk@ecsvax.UUCP (04/30/87)
In article <8704291527.AA14475@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>, TNETE1NN@CLVM.BITNET writes: > I have a Capetronic 1200 modem. It is said to be fully Hayes > compatible and I haven't had any trouble with it until now. > If I call a number and it rings, it says "CONNECT ..... RING RESPONSE". > However, if there is a busy signal, 90% of the time it says the same thing. > Only once in a blue moon, after trying it repeatedly, will it > finally disconnect (after about 3 busy signals) and wait 30 sec.'s and > try again. This is what it is supposed to do. Can anyone understand > this? Maybe it's defective - but this is the ONLY thing that's a problem. > Thanx, > Mike Rickenbach > TNETE1NN@CLVM I have had similar problems with my Hayes compatible modem, and also know of some folks that have the same happen with a genuine Hayes. It appears from what I personally observed, that it depends on the connection that the local phone cos. provide. I have been using mine for the past few months in Greensboro, NC which is serviced by Southern Bell. A call to any number is usually very quick and quiet, i.e.: no clicking noises in the background. When the actual connection takes place, you don't "hear" the CLICK either. When I reach a number that is busy in this case, it will give me the "REDIAL... WAITING 30 SEC" message. On the other hand, I have also used my modem at my New Jersey residence in an area served by United Telephone. I believe that we are one of the few exchanges (possibly in the whole world! :-) that still is on the old mechanical switching devices. Anyways, when I dial a number there, I hear lots of clicking and finally one loud click when the connection is complete. At this point, I get a "RING RESPONSE" message, *before* the other end even rings or sends a busy signal! Occassionally, even when I call from my NC residence to a long-distance number, the same happens - but this is more of an exception rather than the rule here. But *ALWAYS* from NJ this is the case. I'm not by telecommunications technologies expert, but have noticed this is often the situation where this happens. Another thing I do know is that upon connection, the Tel Co's central office sends reverse battery, that may be another cause. Perhaps someone out there in net-land could shed some light on the techincal aspects of this, I for one would like to know more about it. Hope this is of some help. --- David M. Kurtiak UNC - Greensboro UUCP: {decvax,seismo}!mcnc!ecsvax!dmkdmk -or- {ihnp4}!allegra!ulysses!ecsvax!dmkdmk BITNET: DMKDMK@ECSVAX
duke@gitpyr.UUCP (05/01/87)
In article <1021@wlbr.UUCP>, pete@wlbr.UUCP (Pete Lyall) writes: > 'CONNECT' responses are limited to either 'CONNECT' and 'CONNECT > 1200'. Additionally, there is no capacity for busy signal detect. 'Busy' > or 'no answer' are the same here, i.e. 'NO CARRIER'. > I own a Hayes 1200, and it is fully capable of detecting a busy signal. It supports X1 through X4. Just thought I'd set the record straight.
jeff@necntc.NEC.COM (Jeff Janock) (05/01/87)
In article <3515@gitpyr.gatech.EDU> duke@gitpyr.gatech.EDU (Roy Brabson) writes: >In article <1021@wlbr.UUCP>, pete@wlbr.UUCP (Pete Lyall) writes: >> 'CONNECT' responses are limited to either 'CONNECT' and 'CONNECT >> 1200'. Additionally, there is no capacity for busy signal detect. 'Busy' >> or 'no answer' are the same here, i.e. 'NO CARRIER'. >I own a Hayes 1200, and it is fully capable of detecting a busy signal. >It supports X1 through X4. Just thought I'd set the record straight. Having owned a HAYES 1200 for some time and utilizing many HAYES 1200 and HAYES (1200/2400bps) compatable modems, I have not seen a way to detect a BUSY vs and NO ANSWER - Have I been missing something? If you would be so kind as to enlighten those of us who are under the initaial impression that it is not there; I am sure there are others as well who would like to know. -- Jeff Janock - NEC Electronics +1 617 655 8833 jeff@necntc.NEC.COM {ames, decvax, harvard, linus, mit-eddie}!necntc!jeff
was@hplsdlw.HP.COM (William A. Stubblebine) (05/03/87)
pete@wlbr.UUCP (Pete Lyall) writes: > Perhaps you have never been exposed to an actual HAYES 1200 - its > 'CONNECT' responses are limited to either 'CONNECT' and 'CONNECT > 1200'. Additionally, there is no capacity for busy signal detect. > 'Busy' or 'no answer' are the same here, i.e. 'NO CARRIER'. An actual Hayes 1200 has 4 call progress options. Try typing ATX4DT<number><cr> where the line at <number> is busy (your own modem's phone number will do nicely). Bill Stubblebine Hewlett-Packard Logic Systems Div. ...!ihnp4!hpfcla!hp-lsd!was (303) 590-5568
haddock@ti-csl.CSNET (Rusty Haddock) (05/04/87)
In article <3515@gitpyr.gatech.EDU> duke@gitpyr.gatech.EDU (Roy Brabson) writes: >In article <1021@wlbr.UUCP>, pete@wlbr.UUCP (Pete Lyall) writes: >> 'CONNECT' responses are limited to either 'CONNECT' and 'CONNECT >> 1200'. Additionally, there is no capacity for busy signal detect. 'Busy' >> or 'no answer' are the same here, i.e. 'NO CARRIER'. >> > >I own a Hayes 1200, and it is fully capable of detecting a busy signal. >It supports X1 through X4. Just thought I'd set the record straight. That's funny 'cause I'm looking at the orange owner's manual this very moment and the ATXn is valid for n=[0,1]. Now! Maybe, just maybe what Roy states is possible on the "newer" Hayes 1200's but it ain't in my manual. The orange manual I have comes from a real Hayes 1200 bought back when they cost a mere $599 - yep, not too long after the buggers came out. Now, all this yammering is assuming we're talking about the external variety. This is what we're talking about, right? -Rusty- ================================================================ Rusty Haddock +++ Texas Instruments, Inc. +++ Dallas, Texas Computer Science Center, CRD&E +++ CSNET: Haddock@TI-CSL USENET: {ut-sally!im4u,convex!smu,sun!texsun}!ti-csl!haddock
billw@wolf.UUCP (Bill Wisner) (05/06/87)
<3766@necntc.NEC.COM>: jeff@necntc.NEC.COM (Jeff Janock) writes: >In <3515@gitpyr.gatech.EDU> duke@gitpyr.gatech.EDU (Roy Brabson) writes: >>In article <1021@wlbr.UUCP>, pete@wlbr.UUCP (Pete Lyall) writes: >>> 'CONNECT' responses are limited to either 'CONNECT' and 'CONNECT >>> 1200'. Additionally, there is no capacity for busy signal detect. 'Busy' >>> or 'no answer' are the same here, i.e. 'NO CARRIER'. >>I own a Hayes 1200, and it is fully capable of detecting a busy signal. >>It supports X1 through X4. Just thought I'd set the record straight. > Having owned a HAYES 1200 for some time and utilizing many HAYES 1200 > and HAYES (1200/2400bps) compatable modems, I have not seen a way to > detect a BUSY vs and NO ANSWER - I don't know about the Hayes 1200, but there are modems, such as the Volksmodem 12 and the ADC "Phone Modem" (what a name!) that will print the message BUSY rather than NO CARRIER. (Actually, the ADC prints things like "CONNECTION ESTABLISHED" and "BUSY SIGNAL" and "RING RESPONSE." Yes, it has ring detection.) And the Novation Apple Cat does even better. Given the right software on the Apple II, it can detect almost any kind of tone. Generate about any kind of tone, too. -- Bill Wisner ..{sdcsvax,ihnp4}!jack!wolf!billw
myers@andromeda.RUTGERS.EDU (Scott R Myers) (05/10/87)
>That's funny 'cause I'm looking at the orange owner's manual this >very moment and the ATXn is valid for n=[0,1]. Now! Maybe, just maybe >what Roy states is possible on the "newer" Hayes 1200's but it ain't in >my manual. The orange manual I have comes from a real Hayes 1200 bought >back when they cost a mere $599 - yep, not too long after the buggers >came out. Now, all this yammering is assuming we're talking about the >external variety. This is what we're talking about, right? > > -Rusty- > As a matter of fact Rusty the ATXn on the newer models do support n=[0-4]. I'm not certain of the specific funtions but it does invoke the new features of the current Hayes modems... Scott R. Myers myers@andromeda...myers@gold...srm@topaz...srm@remus >> .rutgers.edu
kfk9673@ritcv.UUCP (Karl Kingston) (05/11/87)
In article <339@wolf.UUCP> billw@wolf.UUCP (Bill Wisner) writes: < extra stuff removed... > > >I don't know about the Hayes 1200, but there are modems, such as the >Volksmodem 12 and the ADC "Phone Modem" (what a name!) that will print the >message BUSY rather than NO CARRIER. (Actually, the ADC prints things like >"CONNECTION ESTABLISHED" and "BUSY SIGNAL" and "RING RESPONSE." Yes, it has >ring detection.) And the Novation Apple Cat does even better. Given the right >software on the Apple II, it can detect almost any kind of tone. Generate >about any kind of tone, too. >-- >Bill Wisner >..{sdcsvax,ihnp4}!jack!wolf!billw Don't forget the IBM 5842 2400 Baud Modem. This modem has almost everything including call monitoring on the screen. Even if the modem detects a voice on the line, and depending on the configuration, it'll request you to pick up the handset. Karl ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Karl Kingston UUCP: ..!rochester!ritcv!kfk9673 BITNET: KFK9673@RITVAX (If your site doesn't recognize RITVAX, use RITVAXC instead)