[comp.dcom.modems] Connecting a modem to a 2 line phone jack

kwe@BU-CS.BU.EDU (Kent W. England) (03/31/88)

In article <1218@sjuvax.UUCP> bellcore!bpa!sjuvax!cc743810@rutgers.edu (Chuck(ster)) writes:
>
>I have a Hayes 1200b modem installed in an AT&T 6300 PC, and the office
>that it is in has a 2-line phone.  The phones wall plug is not the
>standard size, it is wider.  How do I connect the modem to the 2 line
>wall jack?

	If it's a wider jack it is probably an eight-wire or RJ-45
jack.  AT&T calls the shots for wiring a 4 pair jack and they maintain
the same pin-out for the first and second line pairs, although pair
one is still pair one, pair two [the second line] is pair three on the
punchdown.  If you want to connect to the first line, I think a
regular one or two pair patch cord should work.  If you want to
connect to the second phone line you need a little adaptor to swap the
first and second pair.  I think these are common at Radio Shack.  You
should be able to plug a cord designed for the narrow jack into the
fat jack.

Here's the two different pin-outs:

	RJ-11 (narrow jack) what the modem wants

	1	2	3	4	5	6
	Pr	R2	R1	T1	T2	Pr

	T&R refer to tip and ring [like + and -]. I may have the pin
number ordering reversed.  The number refers to the ordering of the
pair on the punchdown.  1 is the first line and 2 is the second line.
Pr is for power (to light your Princess phone :-)

	RJ-45 (wide jack) what the phone is wired for

	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8
	P2	P2	R3	R1	T1	T3	Pr	Pr

	Pair one is for voice, the second and third pair for data and
the fourth pair for power, but you can use the third pair for the
second phone line.  Is this too confusing?  Try a standard patch cord
and see if it works, you might have trouble swapping tip & ring,
although I'm not sure but that the modem will work either way.

> (It it not necessary to have the phone operational when
>the modem is in use - but it would be nice if it is an easy to do
>hack).

	That will only work if the modem is on line 2 and the phone on
line 1, of course.

	Kent England, Boston University

syap@ur-tut (James Fitzwilliam) (04/07/88)

Even before this issue came up, I was going to post an article wondering
why modem manufacturers don't provide some way of deciding whether data
calls will be placed on Line 1 (Red/Green) or Line 2 (Black/Yellow).  All
that would be necessary would be a DPDT switch, or a relay and a transistor
activated by one of the "future use" or "user-definable" registers.

My Practical Peripherals modem (which I love, by the way -- inexpensive
but not cheap :) has a register setting for "telephone jack type" which
I was hoping would be such a selector.  All it does, though, is create an
off-hook condition for _both_ lines rather than just line 1 during a data
call; the connection is still on line 1.

The manufacturers are obviously aware of multi-line telephone systems.
All units I have seen pass all four wires through for your telephone
hookup, and my deceased Popcom had an 8-wire jack and generated 1A2 key
telephone signals.  Of course connection to the Red/Green pair should be
the default, but let's think a minute here: If I add a second line to my
house, it will go on Black/Yellow.  If this line is for my computer, I
won't want the modem connected to line 1 anymore, so I make or buy some
sort of adaptor.  If I have two lines for my business, I can't choose
which line to use for data calls without repatching (or making a phone
A/B box).  This seems kludgy to me, especially when some available 
modems do everything but walk the dog and do the dishes.

Anybody want to comment on this?  Does anyone know of a modem which
lets you select line 1 or line 2?

					James


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dya@unccvax.UUCP (Edison Carter) (04/08/88)

> kwe@BU-CS.BU.EDU (Kent W. England) writes:

> > bellcore!bpa!sjuvax!cc743810@rutgers.edu (Chuck(ster)) writes:
. . .
> >standard size, it is wider.  How do I connect the modem to the 2 line
> >wall jack?

> Here's the two different pin-outs:

> 	RJ-45 (wide jack) what the phone is wired for

> 	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8
> 	P2	P2	R3	R1	T1	T3	Pr	Pr

> 	Pair one is for voice, the second and third pair for data and
> the fourth pair for power, but you can use the third pair for the

     Sorry, but this is an extremely sore point with me. The RJ45
jack is obstensibly NOT configured for this "pair one, pair two"
business.

     Pins 1 and 2 of the RJ45S jack are UNDEFINED.  Pin 3 is M1,
a contact closure for exclusion key telephones, to pin 6, M1C. 
Pin 4 is Ring, pin 5 is Tip, of the line connected to the PSTN.
Pin 7 and pin 8 define a programming resistor which, upon correct
measurement of the loss of the subscriber loop, tells the modem
(in programmed mode) what transmit level to emit so that -12 dBmV
arrives at the CO.

     RJ41S is similar, but pins 1 and 2 represent Ring and Tip
(respectively) with a fixed loss loop pad inserted in the circuit.
Pins 4 and 5 carry the unmodified ring and tip, respectively,
of the same PSTN circuit.

     There is no such thing (although people do it frequently) as
a two line RJ11W/C jack.  The two line equivalent is RJ14W/C.
The wiring sequence is up to the customer. Pins 1 and 6 are not
defined.  However, as a practical matter, the RJ11W/C plug will
even (usually) pick up T and R (1) of even the 8 pin jack.

     Be forewarned, there are other configurations of 8 pin jacks
which do neat things like remove a shorting bar when a plug is
inserted, operate with the exclusion key, etc.  

     The only real flamage is the misunderstanding which most
(including telephone company personnel) have about the data jacks,
and the perpetual misinformation campaign - which the original
poster(s) aren't a part of - about the RJ41/45 data jacks. They
are defined, and have a specific function in life.

     My source is Title 47, United States Code of Federal Regulations,
Part 68, Appendix A, Subpart F, FCC Rules and Regulations, 
41 FR at 28699, published July 12, 1976.

David Anthony
WLQV Detroit