IBTUSM02@CZHETH1I.BITNET (Tom Anna) (03/14/89)
There may be two reasons (or a combination of both) for the limitation
of baud rates in Europe
- the local PTTs feel kind of responsible for their line quality. So they
may not like high baud rates, because they don't want, that the users
bit errors may be considered as their fault
- and of course the PTT sell digital channels by the kbyte and they don't like
anything cheaper
Tom, Zurich, Switzerland, IBTUSM02@CZHETH1Ipiet@cwi.nl (Piet Beertema) (03/21/89)
- the local PTTs feel kind of responsible for their line quality. So they may not like high baud rates, because they don't want, that the users bit errors may be considered as their fault Nonsense. Line noise is considered a fact of life and has nothing to do with the (non-)availability of high-speed modems in Europe. But precisely because this is Europe, there are about 20 different PTT standards, requirements etc. etc.; and that means that real innovative technology (like the Trailblazer modem) hardly gets any chance in Europe, since there is simply no large, open market for it; if such things become available at all, it's only with specific changes for almost every European country. - and of course the PTT sell digital channels by the kbyte Wish they did. If you mean by "digital channels" the great love of European PTT's: X.25, well, there accounting usually is based on segments (max. 64 bytes); or to put it another way: they sell by the byte. Needless to say that X.25 in Europe in general is very expensive; and not only expensive, but slow too (especially on international lines): standard level 3 window sizes of 2 and packet sizes of 128 don't give you more than about 20kbps effectively on a 64kbps line (unless of course you start messing around with multiple VC's to the same destination); a Trailblazer link is only slightly slower and *much* cheaper.... -- Opinions expressed above reflect those of my employer, except when they don't. Piet Beertema, CWI, Amsterdam (piet@cwi.nl)
stox@balr.com (Ken Stox) (09/27/90)
I am helping out a friend whsoe company is thinking about expanding
into Europe. What do I need to know about modems in Europe ? Where
can I find this information ? Does this all change in 1992 with the
common market ??
An inquiring mind needs to know!
Many thanks in advance,
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600 Enterprise Drive voice: (708) 575-8200wrs@mcshh.hanse.de (Wolfgang R. Schulz) (10/01/90)
stox@balr.com (Ken Stox) writes: >I am helping out a friend whsoe company is thinking about expanding >into Europe. What do I need to know about modems in Europe ? Where >can I find this information ? Does this all change in 1992 with the >common market ?? Well, certainly everything will change in 1993 (EEC rules apply from 1993 and NOT 1992), but probably to the better. The very stiff regulations in effect here in Germany (for modems as well as for other communication stuff) will hopefully vanish as from then. Until now it still means here "DO NOT TOUCH THAT PHONE OUTLET" if you do not want to wind up in court. But quite frank: nobody really cares...except for official institutions and certain types of companies which need the PTT as friends. So, to answer your question for Germany: The PTT wants to install your modem and charge for it here, and it will certainly only accept gear which is approved ( and double of what you pay on the free market ). [A:My proposal: get MNP5 equipment on both sides, don't bother about regulations and use it. Wolfgang R. Schulz IS wrs@mcshh.hanse.de --> .$.
dvv@hq.demos.su (Dmitry V. Volodin) (10/09/90)
Hi, folks. Can anyone advice me on wholesale sellers of modems in Europe? I mean all kinds of modems - int/ext 1200-2400-MNP etc. in quantities of 100-200-300. -- Dmitry V. Volodin <dvv@hq.demos.su> | fax: +7 095 233 5016 | Call me Dima (D-'ee-...) phone: +7 095 231 2129 |