mdf@tut.UUCP (09/08/87)
In <4476@ncoast.UUCP> allbery@ncoast.UUCP (Brandon Allbery) writes: >And of course they had a chance to do it right with the 60, and didn't.... Brandon, What do you see as still being wrong with the WY60? I'm about to buy a half dozen of them and would like your opinion on the beast. I thought that the WY60 fixed all the stupidities of their earlier attempts. Any opinions on the WY99GT?
dyer@spdcc.UUCP (09/08/87)
Can someone explain to me what the Wyse99GT does and how it works?
I keep seeing a GEM display on the screen in the ads for it, but it
looks to be a serial terminal device...
--
Steve Dyer
dyer@harvard.harvard.edu
dyer@spdcc.COM aka {ihnp4,harvard,linus,ima,bbn,m2c}!spdcc!dyerrobert@pvab.UUCP (Robert Claeson) (09/09/87)
In article <39@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu>, mdf@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mark D. Freeman) writes: > Any opinions on the WY99GT? The WY99GT can't disable parity checking. It dosen't matter wether you set the Parity Check option to on or off - it always checks parity. And the terminal is s-l-o-o-o-w. It is impossible to run emacs on it without handshaking. -- Robert Claeson, System Administrator, PVAB, Box 4040, S-171 04 Solna, Sweden eunet: robert@pvab uucp: sun!enea!pvab!robert
robert@pvab.UUCP (Robert Claeson) (09/09/87)
In article <244@spdcc.COM>, dyer@spdcc.COM (Steve Dyer) writes: > Can someone explain to me what the Wyse99GT does and how it works? > I keep seeing a GEM display on the screen in the ads for it, but it > looks to be a serial terminal device... The Wyse 99GT is a VT220 compatible terminal with Tektronix 4010/4014 emulation. Or, if you like it that way, a VT240 compatible without the Regis graphics. You can connect a serial mouse to the printer port and have the terminal report the mouse movements as escape sequences to the computer. The GEM display in the ads is a fake, I think. I can't imagine anyone want's to do real windowing in that terminal. It's too stupid and slow for that. -- Robert Claeson, System Administrator, PVAB, Box 4040, S-171 04 Solna, Sweden eunet: robert@pvab uucp: sun!enea!pvab!robert
loverso@encore.UUCP (09/12/87)
In article <39@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu> mdf@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu.UUCP (Mark D. Freeman) writes: > > What do you see as still being wrong with the WY60? Well, when they first came out, I had one on loan. While it was feature-wise nice (I don't remember, but it may have had magic cookies), it was too slow. It couldn't do much more than 9600 baud. If you set it to 19200 (or even 38400) it would flow control itself back down to an effective 9600. Thats pitiful! Also, if you ran something like "yes 1234567890123456789" at 19200, you'd have a hard time interupting it (host output take priority over keyboard input!? eek). I haven't used a Wyse 60 since that came out with ANSI (vt100) compatibility. I still haven't heard about these problems being fixed, though. John
rbbb@acornrc.UUCP (David Chase) (09/19/87)
Sigh. I am the proud evaluator of a Wyse 30 and a Wyse 60 (i.e., we might
buy a few, if we can make them work). I have the following questions:
1. Can someone send me a termcap entry for a Wyse 60?
2. Can someone send me a termcap entry for a Wyse 30?
3. Does anyone have any experience with the Wyse 30? After one hour of
fiddling, I am leaning towards this one because I can figure it out.
The wyse 60 that we have may be broken, but I cannot tell. The DEL and
CR keys send odd sequences depending upon emulation mode, even when I
ask SETUP for default parameters.
4. Are we making a terrible mistake? Is there some other cheap terminal
that we should be buying? (We are looking for a CHEAP terminal to tide
us over until the workstations arrive; this means that I don't want to
waste much time figuring the damn thing out).
If nobody replies, then I should have a minimal entry for the 30 in a few
days.
David Chase, Olivetti Research Center
{decwrl,ames.arpa}!acornrc!rbbb / rbbb@rice.edumatt@nbisos.NBI.COM (Matt O'Kelley) (09/21/87)
In article <457@acornrc.UUCP> rbbb@acornrc.UUCP (David Chase) writes: >1. Can someone send me a termcap entry for a Wyse 60? Here are some entries for native (WY60) mode operation. If anyone out there tries these - I would appreciate any feedback you might have. (the "g" entries are used by Unify - others ? - to draw boxes, etc.) ____________________________________________________________________________ w6|wy60|wyse60|wyse 60 doing it like a wyse 60:\ :al=\EE:am:bs:bt=\EI:bw:cd=\EY:ce=\ET:cf=^Z:cl=\E*:\ :cm=\Ea%i%dR%dC:co#80:da:db:dc=\EW:dl=\ER:do=^J:ei=\Er:eo:et=\r:\ :ge=\EH1:gf=\EH2:gg=\EH3:gh=\EH5:gi=\EH8:gj=\EH6:gk=\EH\072:gl=\EH9:\ :gm=\EH4:gn=\EH0:go=\EH=:gs=:gx=^C:ho=^^:\ :if=/usr/lib/tabset/stdcrt:im=\Eq:\ :is=\Ee(\EG0\EC\EX\E0\Er\E`1\E`\072\E(\E":\ :kb=^H:kd=^J:kf=\EK:kg=\EJ:kh=^^:ki=\EE:kj=\ER:kl=^H:kn#10:\ :kr=^L:ku=^K:ko=cd,ce,dc,al,dl,ei,im,ta:\ :k1=@\r:k2=A\r:k3=B\r:k4=C\r:k5=D\r:k6=E\r:k7=F\r:\ :k8=G\r:k9=H\r:k0=I\r:li#24:ll=\Ea24R1C:\ :l0=F10:l1=F1:l2=F2:l3=F3:l4=F4:l5=F5:l6=F6:l7=F7:l8=F8:l9=F9:\ :mi:nd=^L:nm=\EG0:pe=\E':ps=\E&:pt:re=\EG0:\ :rl=\EGt:ru=\EGx:rv=\EG<:rw=\EG|:se=\EG0:so=\EG4:sr=\Ej:ue=\EG0:\ :up=^K:us=\EG8:ws=\E):we=\E(:\ :vb=\EA04\200\200\200\200\200\200\200\200\200\200\200\200\EA00: w7|wy60-132|wyse60-132|wyse 60 doing it like a wyse 60 - 132 column:\ :co#132:is=\EG0\EC\EX\E0\Er\E`1\E(\E"\E`;:tc=wy60: w8|wy60-42|wyse60-42|wyse 60 doing it like a wyse 60 - 42 line:\ :li#42:is=\Ee*\EG0\EC\EX\E0\Er\E`1\E(\E"\E`\072:tc=wy60: w9|wy60-132-42|wyse60-132-42|wyse 60 - 42 line 132 column:\ :co#132:li#42:is=\Ee*\EG0\EC\EX\E0\Er\E`1\E(\E"\E`;:tc=wy60: -- : uucp : {allegra,cbosgd,seismo,ucbvax}!nbires!nbife!matt Matt O'Kelley : snail: NBI P.O. Box 9001 Boulder CO 80301 : at&t : (303) 938-2553
rbbb@acornrc.UUCP (David Chase) (09/22/87)
I received responses from Mark B. Tooley, Matt O'Kelley, Doug Gibbons, Mathew Atkins and one that got lost. Most were enthusiastic about the Wyse-60, and M. Akins sent an entry for the 30. We decided to go with the 60 emulating a vt100. Why? 1) both termcap entries for the 30 gave me problems with the (Gosling) emacs mode line update. It was just plain wrong. Also, the 30 has only 24 lines. 2) The 60 emulates a vt100 just fine, and can in fact be persuaded to emulate a 43 * 80 vt100 just fine. Also, when emulating a vt100 it works more sensibly with the ANSI keyboard. I realize that it can be configured to do almost anything, but it is so much easier if you can just pop it out of the box and use default settings. 3) When running in Wyse-60 mode the terminal for some reason decided that the data coming in was 7 data + 1 stop bit, when in fact I think that it is 8 + 1. It processes 8+1 correctly in vt100 mode. Notes on vt100 emulation. When running in 42/43 line mode, it is important to *turn off* character attributes instead of *turn to normal* character attributes. "Return to normal" also returns the character size to normal, though the line spacing stays the same (yuck). Here is the modified termcap entry: d0l:\ :is=200\E[41h\E[1;42r\E[42;1H:\ :se=2\E[27m:\ :ue=2\E[24m:\ :me=2\E[22;25;27m\ :li#42:tc=vt100: The "is" attribute places the terminal into 42 line mode, defines a 42 line scrolling region and places the cursor at 1,42. The new strings for "se", "ue", and "me" all specifically *turn off* their respective attributes, leaving the characters at the same size. Using the sequence "\E[m" to revert to normal loses pretty badly. I may be using an old termcap file, so this may be old news to other people out there. Do vanilla vt100s recognize these sequences, and if so, should termcap files be updated to reflect this? This is probably just a quirk of the Wyse-60. David Chase, Olivetti Research Center, Palo Alto
rich@oxtrap.UUCP (K. Richard Magill) (09/26/87)
In article <459@acornrc.UUCP> rbbb@acornrc.UUCP (David Chase) writes: >I received responses from Mark B. Tooley, Matt O'Kelley, Doug Gibbons, >Mathew Atkins and one that got lost. Most were enthusiastic about the >Wyse-60, and M. Akins sent an entry for the 30. Umm... Here's probably the one that got lost. (but keep reading...) # # # rich's hacked up termcap # # Last Mod Fri Sep 25 20:52:40 EDT 1987, by rich@oxtrap # # w1|wyse60|w60|Wyse 60 in 25 x 80: \ :al=2\EE:am:bs:cd=\EY:cm=\Ea%i%dR%dC:ce=2\ET:cl=\E+:co#80:dc=\EW: \ :dl=2\ER:do=^J:ds=\E`a:ei=\Er:fs=^M:hs:im=\Eq:li#25:nd=^L:up=^K:km: \ :so=\EG4:se=\EG0:sr=\Ej:vs=\Ec20:ve=\Ec21:ts=\EF:us=\EG8: \ :ue=\EG0:ug#0: wl|wyse60l|Wyse 60 in 43 x 80 mode: \ :li#43:tc=wyse60: ww|wyse60w|Wyse 60 in 25 x 132 mode: \ :co#132:tc=wyse60: wx|wyse60lw|Wyse 60 in 43 x 132: \ :li#43:co#132:tc=wyse60: You can take out the delays if you don't use emacs or you have hardware flow control. >2) The 60 emulates a vt100 just fine, and can in fact be persuaded to > emulate a 43 * 80 vt100 just fine. Ummm... *M*Y* wyse 60 doesn't emulate a vt100. We've been trying to get new proms for about 2 months. rich.
stuart@ihlpf.ATT.COM (Stu Ericson) (09/28/87)
In article <1162@oxtrap.UUCP>, rich@oxtrap.UUCP (K. Richard Magill) writes: > Ummm... *M*Y* wyse 60 doesn't emulate a vt100. We've been trying to > get new proms for about 2 months. > > rich. Do you have any information on the new (e)proms? Cost? Availability? User-installable? (I'm not afraid of socketed chips, but soldering them ont&in could be bad) Thanks, Stu -- Stuart Ericson USnail: AT&T Bell Laboratories USENET: ...!ihnp4!ihlpf!stuart IH 6M-313 voice: (312) 979-4152 Naperville-Wheaton Rd. Naperville, Il 60566
kelley@clsib21.UUCP (10/01/87)
In article <2346@ihlpf.ATT.COM>, stuart@ihlpf.ATT.COM (Stu Ericson) writes: > > Do you have any information on the new (e)proms? Cost? > Availability? User-installable? (I'm not afraid of > socketed chips, but soldering them ont&in could be bad) Firmware is available for about $40 and involves changing the processor and firmware chips. Recommended tools are No. 2 phillips screwdriver and IC chip remover. Although you have to dismantle the terminal a bit, it isn't a particularly difficult task. You should check with your dealer/distributor for availability. Chris Kelley
rich@oxtrap.UUCP (K. Richard Magill) (10/05/87)
In article <2346@ihlpf.ATT.COM> stuart@ihlpf.ATT.COM (Stu Ericson) writes: >In article <1162@oxtrap.UUCP>, rich@oxtrap.UUCP (K. Richard Magill) writes: >> Ummm... *M*Y* wyse 60 doesn't emulate a vt100. We've been trying to >> get new proms for about 2 months. > >Do you have any information on the new (e)proms? Cost? >Availability? User-installable? (I'm not afraid of >socketed chips, but soldering them ont&in could be bad) > I believe they are free. call wyse at 800-get-wyse. My understanding is that the 60 was intended to emulate ansi originally but does only with the "new" proms. I believe they fix other bugs as well but I have no detail. I have not even looked at them or the doc. We have since received our proms(from wyse). The chips are socketed but someone else in our office decided that they were difficult enough to reach to merit asking our supplier (in town) to do the installation. Since our first sun arrived several days earlier, I'm no longer as interested in seeing this happen so *I* didn't do it. rich.
fred@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Fred Whiteside) (10/31/90)
This is being posted for a friend; please send all replies to
me; I will post a summary if requested; I don't read this newsgroup
regularly so please don't flame me too hard; etc. etc. etc.
I have a requirement for a termcap describing a Wyse 60
terminal. The termcap entries for the various Wyse 50 terminals are
apparently inadequate for making use of all of the features of the 60.
If anyone knows of such a beast I would greatly appreciate a pointer to
it or a copy ...
Thanks in advance
--
Fred Whiteside Chedoke-McMaster Hospitals, Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
whitesid@{mcmaster.ca,darwin.cmh.mcmaster.ca,130.113.2.18}
fred@maccs.DCSS.McMaster.CA ...!uunet!utai!utgpu!maccs!fredhgw@luna.math.ucla.edu (Harold Wong) (05/03/91)
Greetings, I have a few wyse 50 terminals which have gone bad. All the problems come from the video board. Mostly, there is 5 volt but the 24V is gone. I've checked the infamous C120 capacitor and it's ok. I've also checked all the solder joints and connections and it's ok as well. Can some experienced wyse terminals repairers give me a few hints on which components to inspect? The way they all fail leads me to believe that it's just one component that's causing the problem. Thanks. Harold ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Harold Wong (213) 825-9040 UCLA-Mathnet; 3915F MSA; 405 Hilgard Ave.; Los Angeles, CA 90024-1555 ARPA: hgw@math.ucla.edu BITNET: hgw%math.ucla.edu@INTERBIT