gnu@hoptoad.UUCP (01/31/87)
[I hereby move further discussion of uuslave to comp.mail.uucp .] bruceb@telesoft.UUCP (Bruce Bergman @spot) writes: > ...the protocol > level of uucp is not documented. Those who know the info aren't willing to > share it, so if you want to rewrite uucp, you are on your own. > Anyhow, with the advent of uuslave.c, the gaps have filled in. It takes some digging, but the protocol level of UUCP *is* documented. There is a mailing list for people interested in reimplementing uucp in the public domain, and the protocol description has come out over it. I have also sent it out to several people who have asked the net for it. To get on the mailing list, send mail to ihnp4!akgua!ucf-cs!ki4pv!tanner. So far only three issues have been mailed to this list, but I expect that with uuslave, the traffic will pick up substantially. I am hacking uuslave.c to actually run on my Sun Unix system and talk to my uucp (I have multiple modems, so uucp can call "out" to uuslave). So far it compiles (some system V-isms needed ifdeffing for 4.2BSD) and with some debugging has gotten through initialization of the uucp link and a "hang up?" "yes" transaction. The original code from the BBS does absolutely NO error checking whatsoever. A bit gets dropped, it doesn't care. I've added almost full error checking so far, added lots of comments, and restructured the code so it can be read in 80 columns and understood. It seems to be having trouble with data transfers though; it has fixed, funny ideas about packet acknowledgements. That part of the code needs to be generalized to match the protocol, rather than having upper level code wait for specific packet formats. When this version will actually send and receive a data file with Sun's UUCP, I will post the revised sources to net.sources. (Mod.sources would be too slow, since a lot of folks are interested; and I'm sure the code will evolve quickly anyway.) > If anyone is interested in the Modula-2 or C versions of uuslave.c for MS-DOS, > please send me a note. I'll be porting it as we speak, in any case. I think that we should try to keep a single set of C sources that run UUCP on all machines. Take C-Kermit as an example. I hate having seventyleven different versions of things, with slight changes and typos, for different machines. It will be a lot easier to keep track of the evolution of this beast with #ifdef's in the mainline code, or a separate "system dependent" module (one per system) for system dependent code. I am willing to act as a clearing house for C versions of uuslave that run on different systems, in order that there be some center to the chaos. I will only accept versions which have actually been tested and run against a Unix uucp though. I don't want to go to the work of merging in changes that don't even work yet. If you send me a version, please specify what machine it ran on, the configuration of the machine (e.g. opsys revision, funny peripherals), what Unix site it was tested against, and what version of Unix and uucp the site runs (if you know). I will post the uucp protocol description to comp.mail.uucp. See you there! -- John Gilmore {sun,ptsfa,lll-crg,ihnp4}!hoptoad!gnu gnu@ingres.berkeley.edu Love your country but never trust its government. -- from a hand-painted road sign in central Pennsylvania
bruceb@telesoft.UUCP (02/03/87)
> bruceb@telesoft.UUCP (Bruce Bergman @spot) writes: > > ...the protocol > > level of uucp is not documented. Those who know the info aren't willing to > > share it, so if you want to rewrite uucp, you are on your own. > > Anyhow, with the advent of uuslave.c, the gaps have filled in. > > It takes some digging, but the protocol level of UUCP *is* documented. There > is a mailing list for people interested in reimplementing uucp in the public > domain, and the protocol description has come out over it. I have also sent > it out to several people who have asked the net for it. Well. Sounds good to me. If YOU have the documented protocol for UUCP, be my guest and post it. It certainly has been my experience that NO ONE has ever responded to my request for information. Maybe you are a first... I have what I consider a 'hackers' view of UUCP. That means, the information I have has been gleaned through use of UUCP's debugging facility, as well as any other source of information I could find. Undoubtedly yours must be better than mine, so I won't post mine unless I don't see yours soon. To date, 59 people have responded to my offer of posting UUCP documentation. I hope that you can supply those 59 people with the information they are looking for. For that matter, I hope anyone can. Its a big job. > > If anyone is interested in the Modula-2 or C versions of uuslave.c for MS-DOS, > > please send me a note. I'll be porting it as we speak, in any case. > > I think that we should try to keep a single set of C sources that run UUCP > on all machines. Take C-Kermit as an example. I hate having seventy... > Run on all machines. Right. Talk to lauren about that. Ha. :-) > I am willing to act as a clearing house for C versions of uuslave that run > on different systems, in order that there be some center to the chaos. Great! I really was hoping someone with time would suggest something like this. Anyhow, my version of C source doesn't exist yet. It won't until I feel my Modula-2 version is working properly. I'll send you mine later. > I will post the uucp protocol description to comp.mail.uucp. See you there! > > John Gilmore {sun,ptsfa,lll-crg,ihnp4}!hoptoad!gnu gnu@ingres.berkeley.edu I'm waiting (here) with bated breath. Well John, I appreciate what you are doing. Really. I wish someone would have helped ME out before. My goal in dealing with UUCP is to get something that I can use. It doesn't need to be perfect. It doesn't need to work with all systems. If I can use it, then if it doesn't work, that's my problem. Maybe someone else out there feels the same way. Anyway, more power to you. I would love to see a pd UUCP show up. I don't like paying the price lauren wants, and I prefer source code anyway. If you do get a good UUCP going (and it's pd), I'd really like to see it posted. Who knows, maybe even Minix could join the net. thanks guy... bruce -- bang!- allegra!\ \ gould9! \ crash!--\ ihnp4! \ \ >--sdcsvax!---->--telesoft!bruceb (Bruce Bergman N7HAW) noscvax! / / scgvaxd! / sdencore!--/ ucbvax! / / talaris!-