derykm@psc90.UUCP (DEZ) (04/06/88)
Would anyone know how to mail from a BITNET site to a UUCP site,
without using Gmail? A frien of mine is at a BITNET site which does
not have the program Gmail, and the only mailer he can use is his local
mailer. I tried experimenting at my end. BITNET and UUCP, but the regular
VAX/VMS mailer will not go to either PSUVAX!GATE or INTERBITGATE.
Any suggestions are welcome.
Deryk
+-------------------+ +
+--+----------------+ | + | + UUCP:
| | Deryk Marien | | |-----|-----| decvax!unhd!psc90!derykm
| | | | |-----|-----| dartvax!psc90!derykm
| | (psc90!derykm) | | |-----|-----| {uunet,decvax,dartvax}!psc90!derykm
| +----------------+--+ + | +
+-------------------+ + BITNET : D_MARIEN@UNHH
==============================================================================dboyes@uoregon.UUCP (David Boyes) (04/10/88)
In article <303@psc90.UUCP> derykm@.UUCP (DEZ) writes: >Would anyone know how to mail from a BITNET site to a UUCP site, >without using Gmail? > A frien of mine is at a BITNET site which does >not have the program Gmail, and the only mailer he can use is his local >mailer. Sure. This will be ugly, but it is known to work. Much of this stuff is obscure, so watch carefully: Sending Mail From BITNET to UUCP Without A Decent Mailer -------------------------------------------------------- 1) Log on. (I know, obvious, but you'd be surprised how many people goof this one... *sigh*. too much user consulting....) 2) Create a file with your favorite editor with EXACTLY the following format. Lines on the left are actual lines which should go in the file, stuff after the semicolons (;) are my commentary about what this stuff does: HELO yoursite.BITNET ; Replace yoursite with the BITNET node id MAIL FROM: <youruserid@yoursite.BITNET> ; <> are required RCPT TO: <UUCP_bang_path_from_a_like_uunet!UUCP_user@uunet.UU.NET> RCPT TO: <foo!bar@uunet.UU.NET> ; Repeat RCPT TO: line for up to 10 ; addresses DATA ; end of addresses -- begin text <blank line> ; mandatory blank line here Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1988 ; See RFC 822 for proper date format From: <youruserid@yournode.BITNET> ; These are standard Internet mail To: <UUCP_bang_path_from_like_uunet!UUCPuser@uunet.UU.NET> ;headers Subject: ; subject is optional <blank line> ; Mandatory blank line . . <text of article or message goes in here> . . . .<CR LF> ; period in col 1 followed by CR-LF ; pair QUIT ; last line in file The mail headers inside the body of the message are required by some sites, so you might as well put them in all the time. The UMass mailer sites out there will puke and die without them. Note that there are NO (none, nada, zero) blank lines before the DATA keyword or after the .<CRLF>. The spaces after the colons in the MAIL FROM: and RCPT TO: lines are also required. The trick about the addresses in the corner brackets is that they must be at least partially in Internet format, so you have to route your UUCP path from some big site like uunet or ihnp4 that have either entries in the UUCP map database or have real Internet connections (use ihnp4.ATT.COM for ihnp4 -- and remember to grieve for Ma Bell [KEEP GOVERNMENT OUT OF CORPORATE MANAGEMENT!]). The stuff on the left of the @-sign follows good Internet convention and gets ignored until it arrives at the site on the right of the @-sign. Be careful in creating the text of the note as well -- lines cannot exceed 80 characters -- the agreed on format for BITNET mail. If your stuff is larger than that, there are programs like MFTU for VMS systems or uuencode for everything else that will wrap long lines. Blank lines are ok in the message body. 3) Save the file. (another obvious one, but ....) 4) If this is a VMS system running Joiner Assoc. Jnet, use the SEND/FILE command to ship the file off to MAILER@PSUVAX1 (the official BITNET-UUCP gateway). Use whatever switches necessary on the command line to send the file as PUNCH format, class M. If a IBM VM/CMS site, use the following series of commands: CP SPOOL PUN TO RSCS ; change RSCS to whatever your site ; calls it CP TAG DEV PUN PSUVAX1 MAILER ; point it at MAILER@PSUVAX1 CP SPOOL PUN CLASS M ; BITNET mail is always class M PUNCH fn ft fm ( NOH ; no :READCARD headers needed If at a MVS/TSO site, I have no idea how to do it. Any TSO wizards out there? 5) Tell your friend's system administrators to get a decent mail system! Good public domain (ie, FREE or low cost [copying fee]) ones exist: For VMS: PMDF for a delivery agent, MM-32 as a user agent. Both work well and remedy a great deal of brain death in VMS mail. For VM/CMS: Crosswell MAILER (available from LISTSERV@CUVMA) and Rice MAIL (a GREAT program -- my personal favorite) For MVS/TSO: UCLA MAIL (unknown -- contact UCLA on this one) Lots of others exist, like the UMass mailer software, but I know nothing about them, so I'll let others answer on those systems. >I tried experimenting at my end. BITNET and UUCP, but the regular >VAX/VMS mailer will not go to either PSUVAX!GATE or INTERBITGATE. >Any suggestions are welcome. > Deryk Get PMDF. Then you can tack in%" on to the front of your addresses and never see another DECnet address in your life. Why DEC screwed up the mail software on VMS has always escaped me -- they had it right on TOPS-20. You might talk your systems people into considering MM-32 as well. The improvement is *astounding*. -- David Boyes | ARPA: 556%OREGON1.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU Systems Division | BITNET: 556@OREGON1 UO Computing Center | UUCP: dboyes@uoregon.UUCP 'How long d'ya think it'll be before just us oldtimers remember WISCVM?'
root@mjbtn.UUCP (Mark J. Bailey) (04/11/88)
In article <303@psc90.UUCP>, derykm@psc90.UUCP (DEZ) writes: > Would anyone know how to mail from a BITNET site to a UUCP site, > without using Gmail? A frien of mine is at a BITNET site which does > not have the program Gmail, and the only mailer he can use is his local > mailer. I tried experimenting at my end. BITNET and UUCP, but the regular > VAX/VMS mailer will not go to either PSUVAX!GATE or INTERBITGATE. There is an article in the October 1986 issue of *Communications of the ACM* which gives an excellent discussion of networks and has a nice, handy chart for gateway addressing. While the chart is only a collection of suggested ways, it had an interesting one for BITNET --> UUCP. It said: host1!host2!host3!system!userid@PSUVAX1 and you might have him try: <userid@psuvax1@system.UUCP> (this was the way one message appeared to be addressed to us. I am not familiar with Gmail so this may be Gmail syntax. NOTE: the header on this message showed being relayed from psuvax1 to gatech.) We had the need to do sort of what you are wanting to do from BITNET to UUCP, and some type of addressing thru PSUVAX1 did finally succeed. None- theless, from my experience so far, mail from BITNET to UUCP is no ordinary affair, and can be a bit tricky. If I come across anything more, I will send it along. Hope this helps some. Mark. -- Mark J. Bailey _____________________________________________________ _________________\ _____| > @ Nashville Knoxville _/ / + ____'' > Jackson + <*> MURFREESBORO _/ / "From the Heart of Middle Tennessee!" ___> > + Memphis Chattanooga _< <______________________________________________+_______/ JobSoft UUCP: ...!{ihnp4,cbosgd}!ethos!mjbtn!root Design & Development Co. FIDO: Mark Bailey at Net/Node 1:116/12 Murfreesboro, TN USA
jsq@longway.TIC.COM (John S. Quarterman) (04/13/88)
In article <223@mjbtn.UUCP> root@mjbtn.UUCP (Mark J. Bailey) writes: >There is an article in the October 1986 issue of *Communications of the >ACM* which gives an excellent discussion of networks and has a nice, >handy chart for gateway addressing. While the chart is only a collection >of suggested ways, Glad you liked it (complete reference appended). Best not to take specific examples in the gateway chart for granted this much later, though: lots of things things have changed (don't try sending mail through WISCVM-- use CUNYVM, aka CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU). The PSUVAX1 route from BITNET to UUCP is still good, as far as I know. I am currently working on a book that will be an update and expansion of the paper. I'm collecting most of the remaining needed information this month and next, for publication before the end of the year. So, if anyone has corrections to what was in the CACM article or anything further to add, please let me know. John S. Quarterman Texas Internet Consulting tel: +1-512-320-9031 701 Brazos, Suite 500 fax: +1-512-320-5821 Austin, TX 78701-3243 jsq@longway.tic.com U.S.A. uunet!longway!jsq %A John S. Quarterman %A Josiah C. Hoskins %T Notable Computer Networks %J Communications of the ACM %V Volume 29 %N 10 %P 932-971 %I Association for Computing Machinery %C New York, New York %D October 1986