kls@ditka.UUCP (Karl Swartz) (09/16/88)
Haven't seen this argument yet ... ditka recently moved to New
Mexico from Pittsburgh, and several ex-local links were pulled
at that time. I dutifully sent in an updated map entry (sev-
eral, actually) but the published maps still haven't been up-
dated.
Nothing grossly wrong here, I just route stuff from here. It
sounds nice, at least. Unfortunately, several of the sites
are on the far side of a nasty router (apparently gatech),
which insists on believing that the (now obsolete) maps know
more about who ditka talks to than ditka does.
The result is several messages that are currently bouncing
back and forth between here and Atlanta. I guess I'll have
to mark gatech as dead along with rutgers and the others
(assuming gatech is indeed the problem).
--
Karl Swartz |UUCP {gatech!emoryu1,uunet!dasys1}!ditka!kls
|ARPA rt1!ditka!kls@hc.dspo.gov
|BIX kswartz
"I never let my schooling get in the way of my education." (Twain)mat@emcard.UUCP (Mat Waites) (09/17/88)
In article <350@ditka.UUCP> kls@ditka.UUCP (Karl Swartz) writes: }Haven't seen this argument yet ... ditka recently moved to New }Mexico from Pittsburgh, and several ex-local links were pulled }at that time. I dutifully sent in an updated map entry (sev- }eral, actually) but the published maps still haven't been up- }dated. [ some beefing deleted ] }The result is several messages that are currently bouncing }back and forth between here and Atlanta. I guess I'll have }to mark gatech as dead along with rutgers and the others }(assuming gatech is indeed the problem). Why don't the "backbone" sites periodically publish the names and phone numbers of their news/uucp/net admins so that people can just call them instead of just theorizing about what is going on. Is there a measureable need for re-routing at any sites that are not backbone? (I really don't know) Mat -- W Mat Waites | Emory Cardiac Data Bank | UUCP: gatech!emcard!mat | Atlanta, GA | PHONE: (404) 727-7197 ******** End of newsgroups--what next? [npq]
rynes@isis.CWRU.Edu (Edward M. Rynes Esq.) (09/17/88)
In article <350@ditka.UUCP> kls@ditka.UUCP (Karl Swartz) writes: > >at that time. I dutifully sent in an updated map entry (sev- >eral, actually) but the published maps still haven't been up- >dated. I too have sent several updated maps over the last month or so and have not seen any updates for the Ohio maps since then. I have also not received any acknowlegment from the map co-ordinater. Should I keep sending maps every week or so until something happens? The problem is that now everyone sending mail to NE Ohio is trying to route through a nonexistent machine. -- Edward M. Rynes <rynes@isis.CWRU.Edu> "I stepped up on the platform. Jennings Computing Center The man gave me the news. Case Western Reserve University He said, `You must be joking son! Cleveland, OH 44106 (216) 368-2982 Where did you get those shoes?'"
vixie@decwrl.dec.com (Paul Vixie) (09/17/88)
# Is there a measureable need for re-routing at any sites that are not # backbone? (I really don't know) There is no measurable need for re-routing by any sites, BACKBONE OR NOT. There is no problem solved by re-routing that cannot be solved otherwise; there are problems CAUSED by re-routing that cannot be solved at all. Note that I am a strong proponent of ROUTING, which means that if someone sends to foo!bar!user and "foo" doesn't speak directly to "bar" but there is a "bar" in the UUCP map, "foo" can pick a route to "bar", probably based on pathalias output (with local "glue" to reflect sysadmin preferences and the state of the local topology). I'm talking about mail to foo!bar!baz!user that gets to "foo" who talks to "bar" directly but decides to send through some other host because it thinks it knows a cheaper way to get to "baz". The fact that neither the UUCP Project nor the sysadmin of "foo" will always know about the connection from "bar" to "baz" is what makes rerouting a very very bad thing to do. -- Paul Vixie Work: vixie@decwrl.dec.com decwrl!vixie +1 415 853 6600 Play: paul@vixie.sf.ca.us vixie!paul +1 415 864 7013
kls@ditka.UUCP (Karl Swartz) (09/23/88)
In article <5971@emcard.UUCP> mat@emcard.UUCP (Mat Waites) writes: >In article <350@ditka.UUCP> kls@ditka.UUCP (Karl Swartz) writes: >}... mark gatech as dead along with rutgers and the others >}(assuming gatech is indeed the problem). > >Why don't the "backbone" sites periodically publish the names and >phone numbers of their news/uucp/net admins so that people can just >call them instead of just theorizing about what is going on. At one time gatech did appear to re-route, and I'm know that emoryu1 does not. (Since emoryu1 is a direct connection to ditka, I send a fair amount of mail thru there.) Still conjecture on my part as to which site was doing the dirty deed. And in fairness, all sites effectively publish their admin's e-mail address, namely postmaster, and mail to postmaster at both gatech and rutgers (as well as emoryu1) brought a swift and courteous reply from both sites, saying that they had marked the links in question as dead until the maps were properly updated. >Is there a measureable need for re-routing at any sites that are not >backbone? (I really don't know) In this case, re-routing at ditka (certainly not a backbone site) was necessary since the link no longer existed. Despite the quick replies from the various backbone postmasters involved, I still do not think they should be re-routing valid paths. -- Karl Swartz |UUCP {gatech!emoryu1,uunet!dasys1}!ditka!kls |ARPA rt1!ditka!kls@hc.dspo.gov |BIX kswartz "I never let my schooling get in the way of my education." (Twain)