jfsenior@vax1.tcd.ie (Semolina Pilchard.) (08/15/90)
People of the net.
I wonder could someone do me a favour?
I am looking for information about using uucp mail i.e. how to use 'bang -
paths' and how to use/ where to get mail maps?
Can someone point me in the way of some material I should read?
Thanks in advance...
--
J. lives at JFSENIOR@vax1.tcd.ie "I was standing next to a mountain,
chopped it down with the edge of my hand."beaulac@convex.COM (Superuser) (08/17/90)
In article <6745.26c97d33@vax1.tcd.ie> jfsenior@vax1.tcd.ie (Semolina Pilchard.) writes: >People of the net. > >I am looking for information about using uucp mail i.e. how to use 'bang - >paths' > here is a fairly simple example of using "bang paths". for mail: mail machine1\!machine2\!login for files: uucp machine1\!machine2\!/path/file the backslashes prevent the ! from being expanded. another way to accomplish this is to enclose the entire expression in single quote marks 'machine1\!machine2\!/path/file'. -bill
joe@cbnews.att.com (Joseph Judge) (08/21/90)
In article <6745.26c97d33@vax1.tcd.ie> jfsenior@vax1.tcd.ie (Semolina Pilchard.) writes: >People of the net. > >I wonder could someone do me a favour? > >I am looking for information about using uucp mail i.e. how to use 'bang - >paths' and how to use/ where to get mail maps? "bang path" stands for an addressing syntax that specifies the path from your host to a remote host and user with '!'s (bangs) used as a separator. Example: att!cblpf!joe Central.Sun.COM!jeff.jones att.com!joseph.t.judge This is different from the domain style address, which is the: user@full.host.name. Where, full.host.name is the full "dotted" domain name for the remote host and user is a local mailbox or local address. These addresses must end in a valid top-level domain. As for the maps: What you need to look at is the 'pathalias' routing database generator (by Steve Bellovin and Peter Honeyman). The info posted to comp.mail.maps is passed through pathalias, it generates a database of paths to the send hosts - relative to your site. The comp.mail.maps files are kind of boring and useless if you don't have something to compile them into hop1!hop2!hop3 What I did, in college, was have a friend at that closest "smart" site send me an ascii copy of his "paths" database. It looks like: "hosta host1!host2!host3!hosta!%s" Then, if I need to send somewhere, I grep it out, send the email to "that_smart_host!whatever_path!user" This helps overcome that big problem with using bang paths. That is, you, the user, *has* to know the full path from here to there and the connectivity is relative to your local host. Joseph Judge postmaster@ATT.COM > >Can someone point me in the way of some material I should read? > >Thanks in advance... > >-- >J. lives at JFSENIOR@vax1.tcd.ie "I was standing next to a mountain, > chopped it down with the edge of my hand."
les@chinet.chi.il.us (Leslie Mikesell) (08/22/90)
In article <1990Aug20.210800.21492@cbnews.att.com> joe@cbnews.att.com (Joseph Judge) writes: > What I did, in college, was have a friend at that closest "smart" > site send me an ascii copy of his "paths" database. > Then, if I need to send somewhere, I grep it out, send the email to > "that_smart_host!whatever_path!user" Probably a wasted effort. If the smart site is willing to forward for you it should also do the path lookup. You should have been able to send to smart_host!end_host_or_domain!user and let the mailer on the other machine do the lookup using its current paths data. Les Mikesell les@chinet.chi.il.us
joe@cbnews.att.com (Joseph Judge) (08/24/90)
In article <1990Aug21.181956.7571@chinet.chi.il.us> les@chinet.chi.il.us (Leslie Mikesell) writes: >In article <1990Aug20.210800.21492@cbnews.att.com> joe@cbnews.att.com (Joseph Judge) writes: >> What I did, in college, was have a friend at that closest "smart" >> site send me an ascii copy of his "paths" database. > >> Then, if I need to send somewhere, I grep it out, send the email to >> "that_smart_host!whatever_path!user" > >Probably a wasted effort. If the smart site is willing to forward for you >it should also do the path lookup. You should have been able to send >to smart_host!end_host_or_domain!user and let the mailer on the other >machine do the lookup using its current paths data. > >Les Mikesell > les@chinet.chi.il.us The "big project" I had at that time was routing email around the world. I wanted to specify a whole path (mail host_a!b!c!d!e!f!host_a!my_login) to wrap it around the world. At the time, they didn't have the pathalias stuff hooked into their mailer, just available to users. But, your point is good. Just find a smart site and hand it to them if you can't get pathalias and comp.mail.maps on your host. Joseph Judge postmaster@ATT.COM
emv@math.lsa.umich.edu (Edward Vielmetti) (08/26/90)
In article <1990Aug23.173359.13081@cbnews.att.com> joe@cbnews.att.com (Joseph Judge) writes:
The "big project" I had at that time was routing email around the
world.
I wanted to specify a whole path (mail host_a!b!c!d!e!f!host_a!my_login)
to wrap it around the world.
This is one reason why rabid rerouters exist and are welcomed.
--Ed
Edward Vielmetti, U of Michigan math dept <emv@math.lsa.umich.edu>
moderator, comp.archivesvjs@rhyolite.wpd.sgi.com (Vernon Schryver) (08/26/90)
In article <EMV.90Aug25175523@stag.math.lsa.umich.edu>, emv@math.lsa.umich.edu (Edward Vielmetti) writes: > > ... wanted to specify a whole path (mail host_a!b!c!d!e!f!host_a!my_login) > This is one reason why rabid rerouters exist and are welcomed. This is one reason why rabid rerouters are routinely cursed. Consider trying to debug a mail problem among b!c!d!e!f!host_a from host_a if b,c,d, or e is rabidly offisious. Do you think we could condense the next 37 rounds of this argument into 3 or 4 keywords? How about a monthly posting of the arguements of both sides? The only excuse I have for continueing is to try to limit the number of converts the Other Side makes among newcomers. I have no hope of reclaiming those who have already chosen Evil. Vernon Schryver, vjs@sgi.com
lear@turbo.bio.net (Eliot) (08/27/90)
Like I said about a month or so ago, there are some problems with Rabid Rerouting, and debugging long EMail paths is one of them. Note that it is not impossible; just that it is more difficult. In general you can look at RECEIVED lines to figure out what happened to a message. If a message is dropped without error, it gets a little more complicated, but not impossible. -- Eliot Lear [lear@turbo.bio.net]