pjh@mccc.uucp (Pete Holsberg) (08/27/90)
Please forgive me if this is the wrong newsgroup, but this *is* a UUCP-related question. I have recently applied to NIC to obtain a domain name and have been granted the name "mccc.edu". The machine 'princeton' (domain name "princeton.edu") is my primary server, and is connected to machine 'mccc' via a dial-up telephone line. 'princeton' is on the Internet; 'mccc' has only UUCP connections via dial-up to our neighbors. Some of these neighbors have asked if they can be listed as subdomains, e.g., 'pclabs.mccc.edu'. "Can" is operational -- it's OK with me but I have no idea if it can be done and (if it can) how to do it. Can anyone help me? Also, 'mccc' is connected to one (soon to be two) other machines over a Starlan network. Can those machines be included in a subdomain? If so, how? Thanks very much for your help. Pete -- Prof. Peter J. Holsberg Mercer County Community College Voice: 609-586-4800 Engineering Technology, Computers and Math UUCP:...!princeton!mccc!pjh 1200 Old Trenton Road, Trenton, NJ 08690 Internet: pjh@mccc.edu
joe@cbnews.att.com (Joseph Judge) (08/27/90)
Pete, ( I am assuming that you meant that princeton.edu is your mail forwarder and that you are listed with an MX record) As I understand it. You are "set". Email to X.Y.MCC.EDU will be looked up, the MX record for MCC.EDU will be found and the email handed off to your mail forwarder, princeton.edu. Now, they will see the email for mcc.edu and hand it off to you, over the UUCP link. *You are responsible of "knowing" how to take care of the email.* (or princeton.edu will yell at you and call you names :) You will have to "know" how to handle any email going to the Y subdomain of mcc.edu (for the above example). How you do this depends on what kind of mailer you are running. On mine, I just need to know that host Z, is the gateway machine for y.att.com. So, email to a.y.att.com will get passed off to Z. (and that gateway has to "know" how to handle that subdomain email, or I yell at them and call the administrator names :) Joseph Judge postmaster@att.com In article <1990Aug26.203211.4863@mccc.uucp> pjh@mccc.uucp (Pete Holsberg) writes: >Please forgive me if this is the wrong newsgroup, but this *is* a >UUCP-related question. > >I have recently applied to NIC to obtain a domain name and have been >granted the name "mccc.edu". The machine 'princeton' (domain name >"princeton.edu") is my primary server, and is connected to machine >'mccc' via a dial-up telephone line. 'princeton' is on the Internet; >'mccc' has only UUCP connections via dial-up to our neighbors. > >Some of these neighbors have asked if they can be listed as subdomains, >e.g., 'pclabs.mccc.edu'. "Can" is operational -- it's OK with me but I >have no idea if it can be done and (if it can) how to do it. Can anyone >help me? >
les@chinet.chi.il.us (Leslie Mikesell) (08/28/90)
In article <1990Aug26.203211.4863@mccc.uucp> pjh@mccc.uucp (Pete Holsberg) writes: >I have recently applied to NIC to obtain a domain name and have been >granted the name "mccc.edu". The machine 'princeton' (domain name >"princeton.edu") is my primary server, and is connected to machine >'mccc' via a dial-up telephone line. 'princeton' is on the Internet; >'mccc' has only UUCP connections via dial-up to our neighbors. >Some of these neighbors have asked if they can be listed as subdomains, >e.g., 'pclabs.mccc.edu'. "Can" is operational -- it's OK with me but I >have no idea if it can be done and (if it can) how to do it. Can anyone >help me? You need two things to make this work: (1) your internet nameserver/forwarder must either supply an explicit MX record for each subdomain name you add or a wild-card MX that will allow you to add anything you want below your own domain name, and (2) your mailer must recognize the subdomain names and route them correctly via uucp. I recommend smail 3 as the solution to the latter problem - it will compile under SysV and do exactly what you need. >Also, 'mccc' is connected to one (soon to be two) other machines over a >Starlan network. Can those machines be included in a subdomain? If so, how? If you are using uucp over starlan, your mailer won't know the difference from any other uucp transport. If you are currently using any of AT&T's PMX mailers, I have some hacks to smail 3 to add the "Content-Type:" and "Content-Length:" headers and a few other things to keep it from getting confused. Let me know if you want them. Les Mikesell les@chinet.chi.il.us or les@fb.com
mdb@ESD.3Com.COM (Mark D. Baushke) (08/28/90)
On 27 Aug 90 02:21:08 GMT, joe@cbnews.att.com (Joseph Judge) said: Joseph> Pete, Joseph> ( I am assuming that you meant that princeton.edu is your mail Joseph> forwarder and that you are listed with an MX record) Why assume when you can look? % nslookup > server princeton.edu. Default Server: princeton.edu Address: 128.112.128.1 > set qt=any > mccc.edu. Server: princeton.edu Address: 128.112.128.1 mccc.edu origin = MCCC.EDU mail addr = root.Princeton.EDU serial=1, refresh=10800, retry=3600, expire=3600000, min=86400 mccc.edu nameserver = Princeton.EDU mccc.edu nameserver = NISC.JVNC.NET mccc.edu preference = 10, mail exchanger = Princeton.EDU Princeton.EDU inet address = 128.112.128.1 NISC.JVNC.NET inet address = 128.121.50.7 So we know that princeton.edu is both the primary DNS server and the MX forwarder for mccc.edu. Now to see about sub-domains. If you they have a wild-card MX record it will match any random sub-domain and would normally send you e-mail and let you resolve it. > foo.mccc.edu. Server: princeton.edu Address: 128.112.128.1 *** princeton.edu can't find foo.mccc.edu.: Non-existent domain > Nope. They are not providing a wild-card MX record for *.mccc.edu so they are assuming that you will give them perfect knowledge of any hostname or sub-domain for which they are to provide MX forwarding service. Joseph> As I understand it. You are "set". Actually, it all depends on what princeton.edu is doing with mccc.edu. It could be just mapping mccc.edu => mccc.uucp in which case mccc.edu is really a single host domain. Alternatively, it could be made more intelligent. Joseph> Email to X.Y.MCC.EDU will be looked up, the MX record Joseph> for MCC.EDU will be found and the email handed off to Joseph> your mail forwarder, princeton.edu. [minor correction, it is mccc.edu not mcc.edu.] This is only true if princeton.edu is providing MX records for both the primary domain name and any sub-domains. Currently it looks like princeton.edu is only providing a single MX record for mccc.edu. Joseph> Now, they will see the email for mcc.edu and hand it Joseph> off to you, over the UUCP link. If princeton.edu sees e-mail for mccc.edu it will probably send it to mccc.uucp. That is the nature of the MX forwarder function. It is up to an agreement between princeton.edu and mccc.edu as to whether the mccc.edu and/or any foo.mccc.edu names actually reach the mccc.uucp machine intact or if it is re-written to your purge UUCP name. Joseph> *You are responsible of "knowing" how to take care of Joseph> the email.* (or princeton.edu will yell at you and Joseph> call you names :) True if princeton.edu is providing wildcard MX records. Alternatively, they could provide explicit MX records for each sub-domain you wish. This is sometimes desirable if/when the link is of high cost. Joseph> You will have to "know" how to handle any email going to the Y Joseph> subdomain of mcc.edu (for the above example). This is true. Joseph> How you do this depends on what kind of mailer you are Joseph> running. On mine, I just need to know that host Z, is Joseph> the gateway machine for y.att.com. So, email to Joseph> a.y.att.com will get passed off to Z. Joseph> (and that gateway has to "know" how to handle that Joseph> subdomain email, or I yell at them and call the Joseph> administrator names :) This is typically true. However, some domains have the sub-domain converted to a UUCP name directly at the MX forwarder (c.f., lonestar.org) and then sent using pathalias output from UUCP maps. Remember, an MX forwarder is the gateway from the Internet to some other kind of world. There are many possible ways to get things done including converting the domain name into a pure uucp path which is devised using the UUCP maps. Joseph> Joseph Judge postmaster@att.com Joseph> In article <1990Aug26.203211.4863@mccc.uucp> pjh@mccc.uucp (Pete Holsberg) writes: >Please forgive me if this is the wrong newsgroup, but this *is* a >UUCP-related question. > >I have recently applied to NIC to obtain a domain name and have been >granted the name "mccc.edu". The machine 'princeton' (domain name >"princeton.edu") is my primary server, and is connected to machine >'mccc' via a dial-up telephone line. 'princeton' is on the Internet; >'mccc' has only UUCP connections via dial-up to our neighbors. > >Some of these neighbors have asked if they can be listed as subdomains, >e.g., 'pclabs.mccc.edu'. "Can" is operational -- it's OK with me but I >have no idea if it can be done and (if it can) how to do it. Can anyone >help me? You need to talk to your MX forwarder about this. If they are willing to provide a wild-card MX record to forward any random foo.mccc.edu to your machine, then you will have to have the software to figure out how to deliver mail sent to these domain names to the sites they belong to. How easy this is to do largely depends on the mailer software you have on mccc.uucp. Good Luck, -- Mark D. Baushke mdb@ESD.3Com.COM