jack@cscdec.cs.com (Jack Hudler) (10/11/90)
Subject pretty much sayes it all, I saw someone write in a news article that HDB can be gotten from osu-cis? Is this true? -- Jack Computer Support Corporation Dallas,Texas Hudler Internet: jack@cscdec.cs.com
csg@able (Carl S. Gutekunst) (10/12/90)
HoneyDanBer is not in the public domain. AT&T owns it. The only way to get source is to purchase an SVR3 UNIX source license. <csg>
mmcgettr@wimpy.helios.nd.edu (533) (10/12/90)
Does anyone know how to access the node iruccvax.ucc.ie or whether it is on the internet? How does one use telnet to log on to this node? Please reply to me directly at mmcgettr@wagner.helios.nd.edu (ps the above node is in Cork, Ireland)
karl_kleinpaste@cis.ohio-state.edu (10/13/90)
jack@cscdec.cs.com writes:
Subject pretty much sayes it all, I saw someone write in a news
article that HDB can be gotten from osu-cis? Is this true?
No. HDB UUCP is owned by AT&T, and is also sometimes called their
"BNU" (basic networking utilities) set. It's most definitely not on
osu-cis.
--karl
osu-cis adminjim@lsuc.on.ca (Jim Mercer) (10/13/90)
In article <KARL.90Oct12160119@giza.cis.ohio-state.edu> karl_kleinpaste@cis.ohio-state.edu writes: >jack@cscdec.cs.com writes: > Subject pretty much sayes it all, I saw someone write in a news > article that HDB can be gotten from osu-cis? Is this true? > >No. HDB UUCP is owned by AT&T, and is also sometimes called their >"BNU" (basic networking utilities) set. It's most definitely not on >osu-cis. > >--karl >osu-cis admin this may be referring to the HDB binaries in the 3b1/pc7300/unixpc archives. check out cheops.cis.ohio-state.edu!/pub/att7300/*HDB* not much use unless you are running a 3b1. -- [ Jim Mercer jim@lsuc.On.Ca || ...!uunet!attcan!lsuc!jim +1 416 947-5258 ] [ Systems Facilitator - Law Society of Upper Canada, Toronto, Ontario, CANADA ] [ Standards are great. They give non-conformists something to not conform to. ] [ The opinions expressed here may or may not be those of my employer ]
karl_kleinpaste@cis.ohio-state.edu (10/14/90)
jim@lsuc.on.ca writes:
this may be referring to the HDB binaries in the 3b1/pc7300/unixpc archives.
check out cheops.cis.ohio-state.edu!/pub/att7300/*HDB*
That'll teach me, I guess.
For starters, the files exist as Cheops:pub/att7300/STORE/HDB*
(osu-cis!~/att7300/STORE/HDB*), just a typo sort of problem.
However, I'm not at all sure I'm allowed to have those files here.
HDB UUCP is definitely licensed stuff, and even though these are only
binaries, I do not know if I'm placing myself in jeopardy w.r.t.
AT&T's requirements.
For the moment, permissions on the files have been killed to zero, and
I'll check on the matter this week.
Sorry,
--karlmpd@anomaly.sbs.com (Michael P. Deignan) (10/14/90)
jack@cscdec.cs.com (Jack Hudler) writes: >Subject pretty much sayes it all, I saw someone write in a news >article that HDB can be gotten from osu-cis? Is this true? THE HDB uucp isn't PD. However, there have been some PD implementations of it. I found one such implementation from Microport, whom apparently developed their own source code then distributed it freely. MD -- -- Michael P. Deignan, President -- Small Business Systems, Inc. -- -- Domain: mpd@anomaly.sbs.com -- Box 17220, Esmond, RI 02917 -- -- UUCP: ...uunet!rayssd!anomaly!mpd -- Telebit: +1 401 455 0347 -- -- XENIX Archives: login: xxcp, password: xenix Index: ~/SOFTLIST --
emv@math.lsa.umich.edu (Edward Vielmetti) (10/19/90)
In article <3856@anomaly.sbs.com> mpd@anomaly.sbs.com (Michael P. Deignan) writes:
THE HDB uucp isn't PD. However, there have been some PD implementations
of it. I found one such implementation from Microport, whom apparently
developed their own source code then distributed it freely.
Frankly, I don't believe it. Why would they do a thing like that?
--Ed
Edward Vielmetti, U of Michigan math dept <emv@math.lsa.umich.edu>
moderator, comp.archivesjack@cscdec.cs.com (Jack Hudler) (10/19/90)
>In article <3856@anomaly.sbs.com> mpd@anomaly.sbs.com (Michael P. Deignan) writes: > > THE HDB uucp isn't PD. However, there have been some PD implementations > of it. I found one such implementation from Microport, whom apparently > developed their own source code then distributed it freely. > I would be interested in finding this animal, or any other implementation of UUCP. I occasionally see references to GNU uucp, is this out of beta test and if not, how does one become a beta tester. -- Jack Computer Support Corporation Dallas,Texas Hudler Internet: jack@cscdec.cs.com
wnp@iiasa.AT (wolf paul) (10/19/90)
In article <3856@anomaly.sbs.com> mpd@anomaly.sbs.com (Michael P. Deignan) writes: >THE HDB uucp isn't PD. However, there have been some PD implementations >of it. I found one such implementation from Microport, whom apparently >developed their own source code then distributed it freely. I am afraid that is a misconception. About three years ago there was a tar of early HDB source code available from the Microport BBS, which someone had sent to them and represented as PD. However, if one looked at the files, they were obviously AT&T source, and when I and several others pointed this out to the Customer Service people at Microport, the tar file disappeared from the BBS. It wasn't their code, it wasn't P.D., and it should never have been on the BBS in the first place. There are a number of PD and/or shareware UUCP implementations available; none of them are specifically HDB clones, but some of them might be a good starting point if one wanted to create such a clone. Some examples are uupc, fsuucp, waffle, etc., and all have been posted at one time or another to c.s.u and/or c.s.m. -- Wolf N. Paul, IIASA, A - 2361 Laxenburg, Austria, Europe PHONE: +43-2236-71521-465 FAX: +43-2236-71313 UUCP: uunet!iiasa.at!wnp INTERNET: wnp%iiasa.at@uunet.uu.net BITNET: tuvie!iiasa!wnp@awiuni01.BITNET * * * * Kurt Waldheim for President (of Mars, of course!) * * * *
mpd@anomaly.sbs.com (Michael P. Deignan) (10/21/90)
emv@math.lsa.umich.edu (Edward Vielmetti) writes: >Frankly, I don't believe it. Why would they do a thing like that? Actually, they didn't. What I've been able to piece together thusfar is as follows: Several years ago someone uploaded a pirated copy of HDBUUCP to several BBS's in the US. This source code was passed off as "a 'port' of HDBUUCP for Microport System V." What it *really* was though, was the actual AT&T source code, with all the copyright notices stripped off. -=- Apparently, this source code is still out there, working its way around the US as people mistakenly, from the file descriptions, believe it is a Microport "port". I, too, fell into this trap when someone donated the program to our XENIX archives. Luckily, several knowledgable people were able to inform us that in fact this source was *not* a port, but was in fact the program described above. Thus, we were able to quickly delete it (along with all associated backups, etc.), and inform the donor of the true nature of the program. Hopefully, as people read this, should they find a copy of this source code on any of their local BBS's, they will inform the system operator about it. -=- It is amazing though how these things get propagated. I wonder how many local BBS systems, as a result of this pirated copy being uploaded to a few BBS's, have in fact been "distributing" this copy ever since it appeared several years ago. MD -- -- Michael P. Deignan, President -- Small Business Systems, Inc. -- -- Domain: mpd@anomaly.sbs.com -- Box 17220, Esmond, RI 02917 -- -- UUCP: ...uunet!rayssd!anomaly!mpd -- Telebit: +1 401 455 0347 -- -- XENIX Archives: login: xxcp, password: xenix Index: ~/SOFTLIST --
mpd@anomaly.sbs.com (Michael P. Deignan) (10/22/90)
wnp@iiasa.AT (wolf paul) writes: >I am afraid that is a misconception. About three years ago there was a >tar of early HDB source code available from the Microport BBS, which >someone had sent to them and represented as PD. However, if one looked >at the files, they were obviously AT&T source, and when I and several >others pointed this out to the Customer Service people at Microport, >the tar file disappeared from the BBS. It wasn't their code, it wasn't >P.D., and it should never have been on the BBS in the first place. The misconception carries on thru today, even. Someone was "kind enough" to donate the source code to our XENIX archives, who was also under this impression (that the source was a "port" offered at one time by Microport.) Luckily, several users were kind enough to inform us about the true nature of this archive; we removed it immediately, and forwarded the coorespondence we received to the donor so that he could do the same. But, it does make one wonder how many systems out there have a copy of this archive sitting on their system, available for users to download, because this story has been propagated. MD -- -- Michael P. Deignan, President -- Small Business Systems, Inc. -- -- Domain: mpd@anomaly.sbs.com -- Box 17220, Esmond, RI 02917 -- -- UUCP: ...uunet!rayssd!anomaly!mpd -- Telebit: +1 401 455 0347 -- -- XENIX Archives: login: xxcp, password: xenix Index: ~/SOFTLIST --