ostroff@penelope.Oswego.EDU (Boyd Ostroff) (04/12/91)
Forgive me if this isn't the right place to ask this question, but I'm a little confused as to just what constitutes a .org. In looking through the UUCP maps, I find a variety of things. Some of them appear to be "real" organizations, like osf.org, decus.org, ieee.org, uniforum.org, etc. Then there are catch-alls like fidonet.org and mi.org. There are also some that appear to be companies. Then there are lots of public-access machines and other personal systems. Here's where I get confused, since the "domain request" info from UUNET seems to imply that public-access systems should not be .org's: This domain application is for organizations which wish to have UUNET provide name service. Individuals, public access systems, and others not represented by an organization may wish to register in the US domain (contact westine@isi.edu). Can anybody send UUNET their $35 (or whatever) and register their site as my.own.org? It appears that's what has happened. |||| Boyd Ostroff / Tech Director / SUNY Oswego Dept of Theatre / 315-341-2987 |||| Sys Admin at cboard.UUCP / Serving the Performing Arts / 315-947-6414/8N1 |||| ostroff@oswego.oswego.edu / cboard!ostroff@natasha.oswego.edu
asp@uunet.UU.NET (Andrew Partan) (04/18/91)
In article <1991Apr12.151815.12030@oswego.oswego.edu>, ostroff@penelope.Oswego.EDU (Boyd Ostroff) writes: > Forgive me if this isn't the right place to ask this question, but I'm > a little confused as to just what constitutes a .org. > > Can anybody send UUNET their $35 (or whatever) and register their site > as my.own.org? It appears that's what has happened. The ORG domain is for non-profit, (IRS) 501-C3 organizations. The 501-C3 is some IRS rule & regulation. You actually have to register with the IRS to be a 501-C3 organization. We are running a service that will register domains for UUCP sites (and provide a nameserver for that domain). We basically check the form over, set up the nameservers, and forward the domain registration form to the NIC to be processed & registered. So, if you are a non-profit, 501-C3 uucp site, then you can register with uunet for my.OWN.ORG. --asp@uunet.uu.net (Andrew Partan)
emv@ox.com (Ed Vielmetti) (04/18/91)
In article <129382@uunet.UU.NET> asp@uunet.UU.NET (Andrew Partan) writes:
The ORG domain is for non-profit, (IRS) 501-C3 organizations. The
501-C3 is some IRS rule & regulation. You actually have to register
with the IRS to be a 501-C3 organization.
Interesting. Do you have the appropriate chapter and verse of the NIC
guidelines that recommends this treatment? (I presume all existing
.org's will be grandfathered in.) Existing practice has allowed
unincorporated entities like the "Michigan Unix Users Group" to set up
mail park domains and share service costs among the membership; I
would hope that NIC rules would not outlaw these "mail parks" or force
all such organizations to register each of their individual members in
the .US domain.
We are running a service that will register domains for UUCP sites (and
provide a nameserver for that domain). We basically check the form
over, set up the nameservers, and forward the domain registration form
to the NIC to be processed & registered.
So, if you are a non-profit, 501-C3 uucp site, then you can register
with uunet for my.OWN.ORG.
Let's make this clear; these non-profit sites are registering with the
NIC, and that process is free (modulo the trauma of figuring out the
paperwork). They are also paying uunet some small, reasonable fee (is
it still $35?) for running the .OWN.ORG name server. UUNET does not
have an exclusive on this service -- some internet sites if you ask
them kindly will run your name server for you, and no doubt in the
fullness of time other internet service providers will offer similar
registration setups.
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RFC 1216asp@uunet.UU.NET (Andrew Partan) (04/18/91)
In article <129382@uunet.UU.NET>, asp@uunet.UU.NET (Andrew Partan) writes: > The ORG domain is for non-profit, (IRS) 501-C3 organizations. The > 501-C3 is some IRS rule & regulation. You actually have to register > with the IRS to be a 501-C3 organization. I have been getting a number of questions about this. This was based on some conversations that I had over a year ago with the NIC about who was able to register as what. A 501-C3 organization is a non-profit that has registered under the 501-C3 reg with the IRS. Now even though a .ORG is supposed to be one of these things, not all existing .ORGs are, and the NIC may not have checked this out when they registered a group under the .ORG domain, or the NIC may have changed their minds about who can be a .ORG. This is just my understanding of the way that it was, *which may be wrong*. --asp@uunet.uu.net (Andrew Partan)
schoff@uu.psi.com (Martin Schoffstall) (04/19/91)
To re-inforce Andrew's posting this what the NIC has been saying to us for years, about ORG. Philosophically I believe the NIC has a long tradition of grandfathering all old decisions, so I couldn't imagine there being any real problems. Marty In article <129451@uunet.UU.NET> asp@uunet.UU.NET (Andrew Partan) writes: >In article <129382@uunet.UU.NET>, asp@uunet.UU.NET (Andrew Partan) writes: >> The ORG domain is for non-profit, (IRS) 501-C3 organizations. The >> 501-C3 is some IRS rule & regulation. You actually have to register >> with the IRS to be a 501-C3 organization. > >I have been getting a number of questions about this. > >This was based on some conversations that I had over a year ago with the >NIC about who was able to register as what. > >A 501-C3 organization is a non-profit that has registered under the >501-C3 reg with the IRS. > >Now even though a .ORG is supposed to be one of these things, not all >existing .ORGs are, and the NIC may not have checked this out when they >registered a group under the .ORG domain, or the NIC may have changed >their minds about who can be a .ORG. > >This is just my understanding of the way that it was, *which may be >wrong*. > --asp@uunet.uu.net (Andrew Partan)