[comp.mail.headers] "X.400" articles with >To:, Message-Version:, etc

gnu@hoptoad.uucp (John Gilmore) (03/06/90)

emv@math.lsa.umich.edu (Edward Vielmetti) wrote:
> My B News 2.11.14 croaks on articles with articles that look like
> this.  Note the
> 	>To:
> and	>From:
> headers. 
> 
> I'm converting to C News soon, not sure if this is a bug in B News,
> a bug in something else, or just a problem with bit.*.

(The article is below...you won't believe it.)

This is a bug in the email software that gatewayed this message into
the Internet from some X.400 based mail system.  In particular, I have
seen this cruft on EVERY message that goes through the "attmail"
service, even if it is just relaying from a uucp site to another uucp site.
When the email happens to gateway into a newsgroup, netnews barfs on it.

I complained to attmail but they said "Every one of those headers has
a purpose, you are just full of shit."

Tell it to the Marines.  Note the three different Message-ID's, the four
useless version numbers and End-Of headers (haven't they noticed that
RFC822 specifies that the order of header lines is not preserved?), and
the mangled ">To:" and ">From:" lines instead of To: and From: lines.

	John

> article <DBASE-L%90022818341054@TECMTYVM.BITNET>
> 220 0 <DBASE-L%90022818341054@tecmtyvm.bitnet> Article retrieved, head and body follow.
> Path: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!brutus.cs.uiuc.edu!psuvax1!psuvm!MD3B2P!HMACK
> Approved: NETNEWS@PSUVM.BITNET Gateway
> Message-Version: 2
> >To: att!tecmtyvm.bitnet!dbase-l
> >From: hmack (Herbert C. Mack x6098)
> UA-Content-ID: <PMX-PC-2.0-003901-md3b2p-hmack-3879>
> End-of-Header:
> Email-Version: 2
> UA-Message-ID: <ATT-2.01-hmack-164>
> Phone: 631-6098
> End-of-Protocol:
> Content-Type: text
> Content-Length: 237
> Message-ID:   <DBASE-L%90022818341054@TECMTYVM.BITNET>
> Newsgroups: bit.listserv.dbase-l
> Date:         Wed, 28 Feb 90 18:33:53 EDT
> Reply-To:     Discussion on the use of the dBase language and related dialects
>               <DBASE-L@TECMTYVM>
> Sender:       Discussion on the use of the dBase language and related dialects
>               <DBASE-L@TECMTYVM>
> From:         hmack@MD3B2P.ATT.COM
> Subject:      dBase Listing
> 
>        To Whom It May Concern,
> 
>          I am interested in receiving information regarding dbase, fox, and
> clipper. My return mail address is as follows:
> 
>          EMAIL DBASE -L md3b2p!hmack@att.att.com
> 
> 
>         Thanks,
> 
>         Herb
> .

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Craig_Everhart@TRANSARC.COM (03/06/90)

I don't think there's anything out-and-out illegal about what you quoted
in the gatewayed-from-X.400 header.  You may not *like* the
	>To:
and
	>From:
headers, but RFC822 says they're OK.  (Whether B-news likes them is
another matter, but that's a ``small matter of programming.'')  The two
additional IDs will doubtless be useful to you three years hence when
you're debugging your own installation of X.400.

		Craig