[comp.emacs] The recent spate of advertisements on this list

dbigwood@umdars.umd.EDU (Doug Bigwood) (07/26/88)

I get people trying to sell me things at my house, on the telephone, on the
street, at the malls, on TV, the radio, etc. I can't really do anything
about this (yet) except to be rude to the people who insist on invading
my privacy. However, I *REFUSE* to tolerate this type of behavior at work.
This includes these recent messages on this list in which the sender is
trying to sell a computer, a condo or whatever. 

To those people: What makes you think you have the right to waste other 
people's money (in the form of computer resources and the reader's time to 
read/dispense with the message) to make money for yourselves? [If I partook 
in name-calling I would do it here.]

For those of you who also feel this way and care to do something about I 
have the following suggestions.

1. Send a copy of the message back to the originator, preferably with a 
very nasty note as prefatory text. A large number of these should have a 
chilling effect.

2. Send your own solicitation to the originator. I like to quickly turn
down door-to-door salespersons and then make a counter offer; something 
like used pencils for $5 each.

3. Respond favorably to the ad. even though you have no intention of 
purchasing. This should tie them up awhile.

4. Send a very long text file to the originator - anything will do. This
has the effect of using up resources on originator's machine, but will also 
use up resources of computers along the path. For this reason it is 
suggested that this only be used if the advertiser is close by.

Let's nip this in the bud. Thanks for listening.

Doug Bigwood
Lockheed-EMSCO
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jr@PIZZA.BBN.COM (John Robinson) (07/28/88)

> To those people: What makes you think you have the right to waste other 
> people's money (in the form of computer resources and the reader's time to 
> read/dispense with the message) to make money for yourselves? [If I partook 
> in name-calling I would do it here.]

Please please don't.

I sent a message yesterday to the affected people (internet list only,
[including you, Mr. Bigwood] not comp.emacs) apologizing for what, to
me at least, was an obvious mixup in the automatic cross-posting of
the usenet news to the internet list, and indicated that I was working
on it.  The message headers include indications that the messages
traversed an automatic crossposting system, including a mailbox to
send to if there are questions or problems.  I did receive one message
from another unix-emacs recipient that correctly guessed the problem.

I have already received word that the bogus postings have stopped.
The list they came from is called "ne.forsale", so the messages were
entirely appropriate to the list where they were originally posted.

I will not try to defend the crossposting system, other than to say it
has worked extremely well over the last few years.  This spring we
moved it from Berkeley to BBN (did you notice?) with hardly a hiccup.
I had observed that it seemed to refuse to forward mesages from usenet
with certain "Distribution: " headers, and asked the maintainer to
look into it.  Part of the resulting change apparently caused the
crossed lists for a few days.  I am now confident it is repaired.

/jr
unix-emacs-request@bbn.com (Arpanet; Domainish)
bbn!unix-emacs-request or bbn!jr  (Usenet)

rbj@nav.icst.nbs.GOV (Root Boy Jim) (08/09/88)

Winnebagos, condos, houses? Well, they all have kitchen sinks, and
after all, that *is* emacs's icon :-)

	(Root Boy) Jim Cottrell	<rbj@icst-cmr.arpa>
	National Bureau of Standards
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