pausch@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Randy Pausch) (01/11/89)
Could someone please tell me what the various options are for reading netnews from within emacs? I'd like a facility that gives one window with a list of headers, one per line, that I could page/scroll through, putting contents into a second window. I've heard rumors about 'gnews', but don't know how to get a copy. Could somebody help me out? pausch@cs.virginia.edu
umerin@photon.stars.flab.Fujitsu.JUNET (Masanobu UMEDA) (01/13/89)
In article <2908@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU> pausch@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Randy Pausch) writes:
Could someone please tell me what the various options are for reading
netnews from within emacs? I'd like a facility that gives one window
with a list of headers, one per line, that I could page/scroll
through, putting contents into a second window.
GNUS is a netnews reader for GNU Emacs. It is an integration of rn and
vn, the most popular newsreaders, on Emacs with NNTP extension. GNUS
uses two window mode for reading articles in a newsgroup. Please try
it.
GNUS is free as same as GNU Emacs. The latest version of GNUS is 3.10.
Version 3.11 is coming soon with its texinfo manual. I think you can
get it from Ohio-state University using anonymous uucp or ftp. If you
cannot get it, send me a request mail.
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Masanobu UMEDA
umerin@flab.Fujitsu.JUNET
umerin%flab.Fujitsu.JUNET@uunet.uu.NETm1tag00@fed.frb.gov (Tim A. Grunwald) (01/15/89)
In article <UMERIN.89Jan13121914@photon.stars.flab.Fujitsu.JUNET>, umerin@photon (Masanobu UMEDA) writes: >GNUS is a netnews reader for GNU Emacs. It is an integration of rn and >vn, the most popular newsreaders, on Emacs with NNTP extension. GNUS >uses two window mode for reading articles in a newsgroup. Please try >it. We have been using Gnews to read netnews from spool files for the last month. It is flexible and powerful within the Gnu Emacs environment. There are a few complaints. First, Gnews can be *painfully* slow. It takes incredibly long to go from newsgroup to newsgroup. I don't see why it should take so long, but I have not checked the code. Second, novice users get lost very easily. Many incorrect or ill-timed responses die ungracefuly (messages like "nill, stringp"). It is easy to recover if you know to just ignore the message and use "g" to go to the next newsgroup. Has anyone else had the same problems? Have we installed it incorrectly? (We have eight sub-area networks connected to a backbone each with its own news spool files. So we read directly from the spool files) Is Gnus better than Gnews? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Tim Grunwald Federal Reserve Board, Washington, DC, 20551 uucp: uunet!fed!m1tag00 internet: m1tag00@fed.frb.gov
piet@ruuinf (Piet van Oostrum) (01/16/89)
In article <361@mqws2.fed.FRB.GOV>, m1tag00@fed (Tim A. Grunwald) writes:
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` We have been using Gnews to read netnews from spool files for
`the last month. It is flexible and powerful within the Gnu Emacs environment.
` There are a few complaints. First, Gnews can be *painfully* slow.
`It takes incredibly long to go from newsgroup to newsgroup. I don't
`see why it should take so long, but I have not checked the code.
I had the same problem when I first used Gnews. After byte-compiling it, it
was much faster. We do have a resonably fast machine, however (9*VAX/780).
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Piet van Oostrum, Dept of Computer Science, University of Utrecht
Padualaan 14, P.O. Box 80.089, 3508 TB Utrecht, The Netherlands
Telephone: +31-30-531806. piet@cs.ruu.nl (mcvax!hp4nl!ruuinf!piet)merlyn@intelob.biin.com (Randal L. Schwartz @ Stonehenge) (01/17/89)
In article <361@mqws2.fed.FRB.GOV>, m1tag00@fed (Tim A. Grunwald) writes: | We have been using Gnews to read netnews from spool files for | the last month. It is flexible and powerful within the Gnu Emacs environment. | There are a few complaints. First, Gnews can be *painfully* slow. | It takes incredibly long to go from newsgroup to newsgroup. I don't | see why it should take so long, but I have not checked the code. | Second, novice users get lost very easily. Many incorrect or | ill-timed responses die ungracefuly (messages like "nill, stringp"). | It is easy to recover if you know to just ignore the message and use | "g" to go to the next newsgroup. | | Has anyone else had the same problems? | Have we installed it incorrectly? | Is Gnus better than Gnews? I have been using Gnews for about 5 months (ever since the local administrators began turning off the newsreader binaries during the day, but don't tell them that.... :-). I have found it to be occasionally slow, but never much slower than plain-ole' editing. The early versions of Gnews had a lot of obscure error messages. Version 2.0 fixes most of the problems that *I* ran into, but maybe part of that was that I know not to do some things now. I like the superb flexibility (hook-kills are awesome), and the true rn-like nature. I did not see that in the version of GNUS that I tried, and have thus stuck with Gnews. Gnews is also well documented. The 'texinfo' manual is very complete, with many examples, and Gnews will drop into the appropriate portion of the manual when asked for help. (Disclaimer: some of my bug fixes actually made it into the code too, so I am a bit biased, being a "part-author". :-) Give it a try. It comes via anonymous ftp from somewhere. Make sure you have 2.0... accept NO imitations! -- Randal L. Schwartz, Stonehenge Consulting Services (503)777-0095 on contract to BiiN (for now :-), Hillsboro, Oregon, USA. <merlyn@intelob.intel.com> or ...!tektronix!biin!merlyn HEADER ADDRESS MAY BE UNREPLYABLE if it says merlyn@intelob.biin.com ... Standard disclaimer: I *am* my employer!
ecphssrw@solaria.csun.edu (Stephen Walton) (01/20/89)
In article <361@mqws2.fed.FRB.GOV> m1tag00@fed.frb.gov (Tim A. Grunwald) writes: > > We have been using Gnews to read netnews from spool files for >the last month. Oh really? I'd be most interested as to how, assuming you're running version 2.0. I've never succeeded in getting this version to work with spool files. -- Stephen Walton, Dept. of Physics & Astronomy, Cal State Univ. Northridge RCKG01M@CALSTATE.BITNET ecphssrw@afws.csun.edu swalton@solar.stanford.edu ...!csun!afws.csun.edu!ecphssrw
bob@allosaur.cis.ohio-state.edu (Bob Sutterfield) (01/24/89)
In article <444@solaria.csun.edu> ecphssrw@solaria.csun.edu (Stephen Walton) writes: In article <361@mqws2.fed.FRB.GOV> m1tag00@fed.frb.gov (Tim A. Grunwald) writes: >We have been using Gnews to read netnews from spool files for the >last month. Oh really? I'd be most interested as to how, assuming you're running version 2.0. I've never succeeded in getting this version to work with spool files. Here is our gnews-2.0/site.el, which does what you probably want: (setq gnews-spool-machine "tut.cis.ohio-state.edu") (setq gnews-organization "Ohio State Computer Science") (setq n-reply-allowed t) (setq gnews-machine (system-name)) (if (not (string-match "\\." gnews-machine)) (setq gnews-machine (concat gnews-machine ".cis.ohio-state.edu"))) ;; the most important part: (setq nntp-service nil) (setq news-mode-map nil) (load-library "gnews/Init") While I'm impressed with gnews' flexibility, I'm depressed by its speed. I've switched to GNUS 2.10.
tale@pawl.rpi.edu (David C Lawrence) (01/24/89)
(Love the message-id's and reference lines ... keep 'em coming. David needs your headers for the record books ...) bob@allosaur.cis.ohio-state.edu (Bob Sutterfield) writes: > While I'm impressed with gnews' flexibility, I'm depressed by its > speed. I've switched to GNUS 2.10. (Umm, 3.1, bob? I did get it from you ...) I'm afraid I have to agree with Bob. Why afraid? I dunno ... people always say things like that. In any event, Weemba sent me a message a short while ago that said, paraphrased, 'Gnews 2.0 has none of the problems you mentioned about GNUS.' (Quick aside, I wish both of these weren't pronounced the same way ...) Well, he was mostly right about that. And unfortunately no one else addressed the problems I mentioned in an earlier message. So, I got Gnews and tried it out. It was, sadly, MUCH larger as a package than GNUS (for which I couldn't afford the space to byte-compile, too) and somewhat slower too. That's where it lost the race. I'll give it points for flexibility, but I am pretty much settled on GNUS right now. I like the way it does things and it does do them faster and in less space. I also, by the way, did a benchmark (very unscientific one, to boot) with GNUS regarding spool files versus NNTP ... our local USENET host is rpi.edu, which is also mounted as /usenet on pawl.rpi.edu. From pawl.rpi.edu I ran GNUS both via NNTP and via the /usenet spool files. The results were that NNTP was noticeably faster, but, as I said, they were unscientific tests and the speed difference could be attributed to many different things and not necessarily reflect a consistent situation. If anyone comes up with some answers/fixes regarding automatic subscription of groups, translations of kill-files and anything else I mentioned in that earlier posting, please let me know. Thanks. Dave -- -- tale@rpitsmts.bitnet, tale%mts@rpitsgw.rpi.edu, tale@pawl.rpi.edu