[comp.emacs] Alternatives to Motif

rms@MOLE.AI.MIT.EDU (Richard Stallman) (03/06/91)

The Free Software Foundation urges X Windows users not to use Motif,
for two reasons.

Motif competes directly with other toolkits that are free software.
In this way, it undermines part of the X Windows project.  And
programs that use Motif won't be able to run on a GNU system, since
Motif is not free and won't be available on GNU systems.

Available free toolkits include the Athena widgets and Interviews (which
uses C++ as its abstract object paradigm).  XView, an implementation of
Open Look, is also supposed to be free, though there is a mixup in the
copying conditions on the version now available.

haydens%bullwinkle@XN.LL.MIT.EDU (Hayden Schultz) (03/08/91)

What's the big deal with Motif anyway? Everything I've read indicates that
there's no significant increase in functunality vs Open Look, and it's a
real pain when developing applications. Independant journals I've read
(I don't remember which one off hand) indicate that there are currently
almost twice as many Open Look applications availible as Motif.

It seems like this issue is yet another example of OSF attempting to
split Unix users into separate camps. Not only that, but users are
willing to pay for the privilige rather than using equivalent free
software.

	Hayden Schultz (haydens@juliet.ll.mit.edu) << respond here please

carlton@HUSC10.HARVARD.EDU (david carlton) (03/09/91)

In article <gordon.668373734@madhouse> gordon@b11.ingr.com (Gordon Streeter) writes:
   rms@MOLE.AI.MIT.EDU (Richard Stallman) writes:
   >The Free Software Foundation urges X Windows users not to use Motif,
   >for two reasons.

   ...niether of which have anything to do with the utility of Motif --
   the product or the standard.

   One might conclude that the Foundation is not interested in whether we
   get what we need, but only in whether we conform to its philosophy.

Alternatively, one might conclude that the FSF is quite interested in
whether we get what we need; they just take a longer-term point of
view on these matters, and have developed a philosophy which they
think leads to a more effective way of giving the users what they need
in the long run.

david carlton
carlton@husc9.harvard.edu