linde@srcsip.UUCP (Larry Linde) (05/08/86)
Is anyone out there running with a site that has both VAXen
and symbolics lisp machines (3600,3640,3670) on the same network?
If so what protocol are you using TCP/IP, CHAOS, DECNET? We are
planning on going to BSD 4.3 as soon as we can get it. And the
latest we have heard from symbolics is that they do not have a
version of chaosnet for BSD 4.3. SOOOO? (NO WAY DO I WANT TO RUN DECNET)
And as I understand it they use FTP to do the file sharing under TCP/IP?
This must be very slow. Has anyone written a version of the RFS code for
a symbolics LM? If so could I get a copy of it?
Second, Has anyone taken the UID/GID translation out of RFS either totally
and then require some host validation, or Partially for validated hosts?
What we are thinking of doing (working on) is to take it out and write
somthing like suns YP stuff that would provide unique UID/GID across the
local net. So we have no need to translate. has anyone done this? If so
same request can i get the code? If not we are writeing it and when finished
I will post it to net.sources. Also is anyone running RFS under ULTRIX v1.0
We are trying to and it works ok most of the time but than crashes every
once in a while. (Actually the MV crashes its not always RFS doing it)
Has anyone had simular problems? With the MVII or RFS under ULTRIX?
Right now we only have the server code on the MV. Working on getting the
paperwork sighed off to get the SOURCE lic from DEC so we can bring up the
rest. Ugg lawyers are sooooooooooo SLOWWWWWW they must read the contracts
over about 2^48 times before even thinking of signing them.
Also anyone know the performance tradoffs between RFS (todds version)
and NFS? how much do they differ in speed? Anyone have any Speed improvments
for RFS? Anyone Running BOTH on the same NET or computer? Anyone using RFS
to use a vax as somthing like a minimal diskless host? IE: only the system
local, no users files. How does it perform?
One final question. Is SUN thinking about releasing NFS source like RPC
and XDR? I would really like to have just one Remote file system. At least
until AT*T gets moving and releases V2.3. Whats it now NOVEMBER?
Oh well enough wandering. Final thought When will BSD4.3 be out?
OK just one more question. Does anyone know of a version of BSD4.2 for
a 68020 VME computer that can be bought somewhere. We are building a
VME computer (Special purpose for Image process type stuff) and would
very much like to run BSD4.2 on it and not SV5.1 or some such ugly
variant. We would want to by a source lic for it. (The source
lic from AT*T is no prob we can get that easy) I know SUN is a VME system
but we do not want a SUN, (not that i would not want one) It just does not
fit this application. Does sun sell there SW ONLY?
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ARPA: Linde@HI-MULTICS | MN ,55413 (612) 572-7589jim@cs.strath.ac.uk (Jim Reid) (05/16/86)
In article <4375@srcsip.UUCP> linde@srcsip.UUCP (Larry Linde) writes: >One final question. Is SUN thinking about releasing NFS source like RPC >and XDR? I would really like to have just one Remote file system. At least >until AT*T gets moving and releases V2.3. Whats it now NOVEMBER? SUN's NFS source code is available to academic institutions for 1000 dollars/ sterling pounds. Contact Steve Isaac at SUN, Mountain View, California for details. I don't think SUN will part with it to commercial organisations who might just make a faster, cheaper NFS box... >Oh well enough wandering. Final thought When will BSD4.3 be out? How long is a piece of string? The release was going to be "real soon" nearly a year ago. Jim
bill@inset.UUCP (Campbell) (05/21/86)
In article <135@stracs.cs.strath.ac.uk> jim@cs.strath.ac.uk (Jim Reid) writes: >SUN's NFS source code is available to academic institutions for 1000 dollars/ >sterling pounds. Contact Steve Isaac at SUN, Mountain View, California for >details. I don't think SUN will part with it to commercial organisations who >might just make a faster, cheaper NFS box... Yes, SUN will hand out NFS source to commercial organisations. Naturally, this is at a commercial price. The release is based on 4.2BSD for VAX, and is available from SUN and several other organisations. As regards SUN competitors, several of those already have the source and several have completed ports (Gould, DEC, DG, Alliant, Celerity, Pyramid). SUN have decided that it is better to promote NFS than not. There is a user group for implementors. Bill Fraser-Campbell bill@inset.co.uk ...<england>!ucl-cs!inset!bill
jim@cs.strath.ac.uk (Jim Reid) (05/22/86)
In article <1017@inset.UUCP> bill@inset.UUCP (Bill Fraser-Campbell) writes: >As regards SUN competitors, several of those already have the source and >several have completed ports (Gould, DEC, DG, Alliant, Celerity, Pyramid). >SUN have decided that it is better to promote NFS than not. There is a >user group for implementors. The competitors I had in mind were companies like Silicon Graphics, Masscomp and perhaps Whitechapel. The big boys you mention have NFS, but they're not really competing with SUN in the workstation market; rather, they're mainly selling boxes for you to hang your SUN workstation off. To clarify my earlier statement, it wouldn't make commercial sense for SUN to make NFS available to companies that already make workstations that are either cheaper or faster than the SUN equivalent. Why help your rivals improve their product with something you have invested money and effort developing? Jim
mark@umcp-cs.UUCP (Mark Weiser) (05/25/86)
In article <142@stracs.cs.strath.ac.uk> jim@cs.strath.ac.uk (Jim Reid) writes: >In article <1017@inset.UUCP> bill@inset.UUCP (Bill Fraser-Campbell) writes: >>As regards SUN competitors, several of those already have the source and >>several have completed ports (Gould, DEC, DG, Alliant, Celerity, Pyramid). >>SUN have decided that it is better to promote NFS than not. There is a >>user group for implementors. > >The competitors I had in mind were companies like Silicon Graphics, Masscomp >and perhaps Whitechapel. The big boys you mention have NFS, but they're not >really competing with SUN in the workstation market; rather, they're mainly >selling boxes for you to hang your SUN workstation off. To clarify my earlier >statement, it wouldn't make commercial sense for SUN to make NFS available >to companies that already make workstations that are either cheaper or faster >than the SUN equivalent. Why help your rivals improve their product with >something you have invested money and effort developing? > > Jim Does DEC count? DEC has bought the NFS commercial license from Sun, and will be offering NFS on VaxStations. VaxStations are, or will be, Sun's biggest competitor. Let's face it, in this case Sun did something with other than an immediate profit motive. In the long run, I think this will generate good will, loyalty, publicity, (and so) sales for Sun. -mark -- Spoken: Mark Weiser ARPA: mark@maryland Phone: +1-301-454-7817 CSNet: mark@umcp-cs UUCP: {seismo,allegra}!umcp-cs!mark USPS: Computer Science Dept., University of Maryland, College Park, MD 20742