[comp.ai] Punishment of machines

jbn@glacier.STANFORD.EDU (John B. Nagle) (05/06/88)

In article <31024@linus.UUCP> bwk@mbunix (Barry Kort) writes:
>I was intrigued by David Sher's comments about "machine responsibility".
>
>It is not uncommon for a child to "spank" a machine which misbehaves.
>But as adults, we know that when a machine fails to carry out its
>function, it needs to be repaired or possibly redesigned.  But we
>do not punish the machine or incarcerate it.
>
      The concept of a machine which could be productively punished is
not totally unreasonable.  It is, in fact, a useful property for some robots
to have.  Robots that operate in the real world need mechanisms that implement
fear and pain to survive.  Such machines will respond positively to punishment.

      I am working toward this end, am constructing suitable hardware and
software, and expect to demonstrate such robots in about a year. 


					John Nagle

bwk@mitre-bedford.ARPA (Barry W. Kort) (05/09/88)

I was fascinated by John Nagle's rejoinder to my remarks about
punishing a machine.  John writes:
>      The concept of a machine which could be productively punished is
>not totally unreasonable.  It is, in fact, a useful property for some robots
>to have.  Robots that operate in the real world need mechanisms that implement
>fear and pain to survive.  Such machines will respond positively to punishment.
>
>      I am working toward this end, am constructing suitable hardware and
>software, and expect to demonstrate such robots in about a year. 

John's posting reminded me of the short story, "Soul of the Mark III Beast"
which appears in _The Mind's I_.  While I cannot dispute John's point
that a game of engineered darwinism might produce a race of hardy robots,
I must confess that I am troubled by the concept.  Would not the survivors
be liable to rising up against their creators in a titanic struggle
for dominance and survival?  Would we erect a new colliseum to enjoy
the spectacle of intermachine warfare?  Why am I both excited and
horrified by the thought?

--Barry Kort