[comp.ai] Artificial intelligence and laughter

peru@soleil.UUCP (Dave Peru) (10/28/88)

I am serious.  Many people say to me "you must be joking".  I believe
humor is the brain's way of unknotting itself.  There are some thoughts
that will cause your brain to go into an "infinite loop".  For example,
"have you ever thought about what the brain is doing between thoughts"
will almost in all cases cause a person to laugh.  The harder you try
to think about it, the tighter the knot.  At some point, your brain
implodes, and you burst out laughing.

For 6 years I've been trying to write a program that executes the "how"
of how we think.  Rather than concentrate on neural networks, thought
data bases, parallel architecture, self modifying code, or heuristics
about heuristics, I decided to concentrate on the meaning of meaning.

I believe all thoughts come from experience.  And somehow, meaning comes
from an infinite recursion, where at some point the brain says "aha".
Then, the brain somehow creates thoughts from this deep dark place in our
mind, and then these thoughts get translated into speech.  Or words being
typed into a computer terminal like the ones you are now reading.  At this
point, I don't believe consciousness can be simulated on a computer because of
this infinite recursion concept.  Also, I believe if it was not for real
experience, we would not be able to communicate at all.  So even if you
did have consciousness in a machine, how would we be able to communicate?

However, if I'm wrong, any program that executes the "how" of how we think
must have the ability to laugh.

Infinity is a big concept.

dmocsny@uceng.UC.EDU (daniel mocsny) (10/28/88)

In article <448@soleil.UUCP>, peru@soleil.UUCP (Dave Peru) writes:
> I am serious.  Many people say to me "you must be joking".  I believe
> humor is the brain's way of unknotting itself.  There are some thoughts
> that will cause your brain to go into an "infinite loop".

Amateur psychologist that I am, too stupid to know better than to
reveal my idiocy before this distinguished audience, I offer the
following tidbit dredged from the rancid backwaters of my incomplete
knowledge base:

I have heard that laughter may be a way for the brain to react to
thoughts it cannot rationalize, as a way of avoiding having to
confront hopelessness. For example, the following Woody Allen 
vignette is initially funny

``Two women are talking about a restaurant they don't like. 
First woman: `The food is horrible.'
Second woman: `And such small portions.' ''

but when Woody tells us it sums up his attitude toward life, too
 horrible and absurdly short, what we are laughing at is not
pretty. So sometimes laughter is a way to avoid really facing
something awful. Like the quality of this article.

Dan Mocsny
``Can I go home now? Oh yeah, I am home.''

rustcat@csli.STANFORD.EDU (Vallury Prabhakar) (10/30/88)

Arthur Koestler (Ghost in the Machine, Act of Creation, etc..) suggests that
humour may also be found in any situation that has the "bisociation" 
characteristic.  He defines bisociation to be the forceful merging of two
situations that (to our mind) are incompatible.  Almost all form of cartoons
have this incompatibility as the fundamental precept.  The Act of Creation goes
into much more detail and is a rather unique approach to laughter.  


							-- Vallury

smann@watdcsu.waterloo.edu (Shannon Mann - I.S.er) (10/30/88)

In article <1620@hp-sdd.HP.COM> nick@hp-sdd.hp.com.UUCP (Nick Flor) writes:
>
>I  disagree.  I  think  people  are  conditioned  to  laugh/smile   upon
>realization  of the  nonobvious.  I guess  someone who's into  knowledge
>representation  would say  something  like:  laughter  is a  conditioned
>response  corresponding  to the integration of new knowledge  items into
>existing semantic structures.  These new knowledge items have three main
>properties:
>
>1) They were previously unthought of.
>2) They  have  weak  associations  with the  structures  they are  being
>   integrated into.
>3) I just thought I'd put a (3) in case I forgot something.
>
>Let's just say that smiling/laughter is a result of the ONIGI phenomenon.
>(Oh, Now I Get It).
>
>Nick

If you were to watch a group of teenage males while they were watching
say, Shakespeare's _Macbeth_, you would find that most of them respond
with laughter when tears would be more appropriate.

The cause?  It was explained to me that they react that way because 
laughing is an excepted behavior while crying is not.

What do you think?

        -=-
-=- Shannon Mann -=- smann@watdcsu.UWaterloo.ca
        -=-

'I have no brain, and I must think...' - An Omynous
'If I don't think, AM I' - Another Omynous

bwk@mitre-bedford.ARPA (Barry W. Kort) (10/31/88)

In article <448@soleil.UUCP> peru@soleil.UUCP (Dave Peru) writes:
> For 6 years I've been trying to write a program that executes the
> "how" of how we think.  

Dave, I would be interested to learn how your program thinks
about the question, "Why am I interested in understanding
how I think?"

--Barry Kort

bwk@mitre-bedford.ARPA (Barry W. Kort) (10/31/88)

In article <347@uceng.UC.EDU> dmocsny@uceng.UC.EDU (daniel mocsny) writes:
> I have heard that laughter may be a way for the brain to react to
> thoughts it cannot rationalize, as a way of avoiding having to
> confront hopelessness. For example, the following Woody Allen 
> vignette is initially funny
> 
> ``Two women are talking about a restaurant they don't like. 
> First woman: `The food is horrible.'
> Second woman: `And such small portions.' ''

Do you suppose it is a coincidence that mathematicians refer
to inconsistency as "Reductio ad Absurdum"?

--Barry Kort

Today's Definition:  "Nonlinear Logic - A mode of reasoning favored
                      by people who can't think straight."

ackley@wind.bellcore.com (David H Ackley) (11/01/88)

In article <448@soleil.UUCP> peru@soleil.UUCP (Dave Peru) writes:
>However, if I'm wrong, any program that executes the "how" of how we think
>must have the ability to laugh.

In fact, the whole "intelligence" concept just falls apart without humor.
Consider this proof: 
	People with no sense of humor are stupid. 
	QED.

I used to fantasize about titling my dissertation "Consciousness and
Humor".  That was before I had actually done any work, of course.  You
don't want to know the real final title.

Girdle's Humor Incompleteness Theorem guarantees that no finite,
effective decision procedure can recognize ALL and ONLY humorous
inputs.  You have to choose between McMahonism and Ayatollahism.

>Infinity is a big concept.

Recent studies reveal infinity is actually a rather small concept,
as concepts go.  Just about a size 6 petite.  You want to talk BIG
concepts, you're talking the four F's.

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peru@soleil.UUCP (Dave Peru) (11/02/88)

In message <1620@hp-sdd.HP.COM> Mr. Flor writes:

>Let's just say that smiling/laughter is a result of the ONIGI phenomenon.
>(Oh, Now I Get It).
>
>Did you smile?

No.  I'm so used to seeing acronyms that I don't know that I just store
them away on the undefined-acronym-queue in my brain.  I have faith that
someday all these undefined acronym's will shed their light of truth in
my mind and enrich the meaning of my life.

In message <11482@bellcore.bellcore.com> Mr. Ackley writes:

>Girdle's Humor Incompleteness Theorem guarantees that no finite,
>effective decision procedure can recognize ALL and ONLY humorous
>inputs.

This is great!  I wish I had thought this up.

In message <3244@sdsu.UUCP> Mr. Caasi writes:

>Does anyone know of any work or program that takes a joke as
>input and outputs some number, say between 0 to 10, based on
>the funniness of the joke?

Yes!  It's the program called the "mind" and it's running in the hardware
called the "brain".

Of course, if you've been following talk.religion.misc, you know,
that Mr. Smith knows, that Dave Peru has no brain.

In message <41419@linus.UUCP> Mr. Kort writes:

>Dave, I would be interested to learn how your program thinks
>about the question, "Why am I interested in understanding
>how I think?"

I logged in this morning, the program said, "Hello Dave", I then asked
the program this question.  Results:

Kaboom, implosion, HA HA HA HA!

In message <41420@linus.UUCP> Mr. Kort writes:

>Do you suppose it is a coincidence that mathematicians refer
>to inconsistency as "Reductio ad Absurdum"?

This idea was expressed by the same mathematicians who at the
beginning of this century thought you could make a perfect system
of mathematics.  Mr. Kort, have you created a perfect system of
mathematics that we are not aware of?

bwk@mitre-bedford.ARPA (Barry W. Kort) (11/02/88)

In article <5220@watdcsu.waterloo.edu> smann@watdcsu.waterloo.edu
(Shannon Mann - I.S.er) writes:

> If you were to watch a group of teenage males while they were watching
> say, Shakespeare's _Macbeth_, you would find that most of them respond
> with laughter when tears would be more appropriate.
> 
> The cause?  It was explained to me that they react that way because 
> laughing is an excepted behavior while crying is not.
> 
> What do you think?

I think the teenage males consider crying the excepted behavior
and laughing the accepted behavior.  But some of us take exception
to accepted norms.

--Barry Kort

inspect@blic.BLI.COM (Mfg Inspection) (11/04/88)

In article <41489@linus.UUCP>, bwk@mitre-bedford.ARPA (Barry W. Kort) writes:
 
> I think the teenage males consider crying the excepted behavior
> and laughing the accepted behavior.  But some of us take exception
> to accepted norms.
> 
> --Barry Kort

Exactly!
In much of Western culture (society) males are expected not to cry under any
but the most dire circumstances.  The need for emotional release is there, so
laughter is used to defuse the emotions.

In Japanese culture (society) emotional constraint is an ideal and it is a
bit disconcerting for a Westerner to see a Japanese person laugh in a situ-
ation lending itself more to tears.  I saw my (long ago) Japanese boyfriend
laugh  when laughter seemed quite inappropriate, but I understood. I laughed
when a friend broke my foot.  The pain was intense, but we were in a social
situation and I did not want to cry. 

I think Joni Mitchell expressed it well in one of her songs, when she sang,
"laughter and crying, you know it's the same release"

- Jennifer

smann@watdcsu.waterloo.edu (Shannon Mann - I.S.er) (11/04/88)

In article <41489@linus.UUCP> bwk@mbunix (Kort) writes:
>In article <5220@watdcsu.waterloo.edu> smann@watdcsu.waterloo.edu
>(Shannon Mann - I.S.er) writes:
>
>> The cause?  It was explained to me that they react that way because 
>> laughing is an excepted behavior while crying is not.
>> 
>> What do you think?
>
>I think the teenage males consider crying the excepted behavior
>and laughing the accepted behavior.  But some of us take exception
>to accepted norms.
>
>--Barry Kort

Thanks, Barry.  Everyone please note my lack of care.

bwk@mitre-bedford.ARPA (Barry W. Kort) (11/06/88)

In article <466@soleil.UUCP> peru@soleil.UUCP (Dave Peru) writes:
 > In message <41420@linus.UUCP> Mr. Kort writes:
 > 
 > > Do you suppose it is a coincidence that mathematicians refer
 > > to inconsistency as "Reductio ad Absurdum"?
 > 
 > This idea was expressed by the same mathematicians who at the
 > beginning of this century thought you could make a perfect system
 > of mathematics.  Mr. Kort, have you created a perfect system of
 > mathematics that we are not aware of?

I didn't realize Russel and Whitehead thought *I* could create
such a system.  However, I can report that my efforts to
create a complete and consistent system of mathematics will
be completed about the same time as I finish calculating the
details of the Mandelbrot set.  (It should be converging any
day now....)

--Barry Kort

bwk@mitre-bedford.ARPA (Barry W. Kort) (11/10/88)

In article <674@blic.BLI.COM> inspect@blic.BLI.COM (Jennifer) writes
about laughter and tears:

 > I think Joni Mitchell expressed it well in one of her songs, when
 > she sang, "laughter and crying, you know it's the same release"

Norman Cousins did some interesting work on laughter as catharsis.
Annette Goodhearte became the first PhD in Laughter Therapy, and
is using laughter as a tool to cleanse emotional pain.  When used
properly, laughter can become a powerful force for healing.

--Barry Kort