[comp.ai] The Chinese Room and the Turtling Test

bwk@mbunix.mitre.org (Barry W. Kort) (03/05/89)

                            The Turtling Test

                                Barry Kort

                  (With apologies to Douglas Hofstadter)


       Achilles:	Good morning, Mr. T!

       Tortoise: 	Good day, Achilles.  What a wonderful day for
                 	touring the computer museum.

       Achilles: 	Yes, it's quite amazing to realize how far our
                 	computer technology has come since the days of Von
                 	Neumann and Turing.

       Tortoise: 	It's interesting that you mention Alan Turing, for
                 	I've been doing some biographical research on him.
                 	He is a most interesting and enigmatic character.

       Achilles:	Biographical research?  That's a switch.  Usually
                 	people like to talk about his Turing Test, in
                 	which a human judge tries to distinguish which of
                 	two individuals is the human and which is the
                 	computer, based on their answers to questions
                 	posed by the judge over a teletype link.  To tell
                	you the truth, I'm getting a little tired of
                 	hearing people talk about it so much.

       Tortoise: 	You have a fine memory, my friend, but I'm afraid
   			you'll be disappointed when I tell you that the
       			Turing Test does come up in my work.

       Achilles: 	In that case, don't tell me.

       Tortoise:	Fair enough.  Perhaps you would be interested to
                 	know what Alan Turing would have done next if he
                 	hadn't died so tragically in his prime.

       Achilles: 	That's an interesting idea, but of course it's
                 	impossible to say.

       Tortoise: 	If you mean we'll never know for sure, I would
                 	certainly agree.  But I have just come up with a
                 	way to answer the question anyway.
	
       Achilles:	Really?

       Tortoise: 	Really.  You see, I have just constructed a model
                 	of Alan Turing's brain, based on a careful
                 	examination of everything he read, saw, did, or
                 	wrote about during his tragic career.

       Achilles: 	Everything?
	
       Tortoise: 	Well, not quite everything.  Just the things I
                 	know about from the archives and from his notes
                 	and effects.  That's why it's just a model and not
                 	an exact duplicate of his brain.  It would be a
                 	perfect model if I could discover everything he
                 	ever saw, learned, or discovered.

       Achilles: 	Amazing!

       Tortoise: 	Since Turing had a very logical mind, I merely
                 	start with his accumulated knowledge and reason
                 	logically to what he would have investigated next.
			Interestingly, this leads to a possible hypothesis
                 	explaining why Turing committed suicide.

       Achilles: 	Fantastic!  Let's hear your theory.

       Tortoise: 	A logical next step after devising the Turing Test
                 	would be to give the formal definition of a Turing
                 	Machine to computer `A' (which, since it's a
                 	computer, happens to be a Turing Machine itself)
                 	and ask it to decide if another system (call it
                 	machine `B') is a Turing Machine.

       Achilles: 	I don't get it.  What is machine `A' supposed to
                 	do to decide the question?
	
       Tortoise: 	Why it merely devises a test which only a Turing
                 	Machine could pass, such as a computation that a
                 	lesser beast would choke on.  Then it administers
                 	the Test to machine `B' to see how it handles the
                 	challenge.

       Achilles: 	Are you sure that a Turing Machine knows how to
                 	devise such a test in the first place?

       Tortoise: 	That's a good question.  I suppose it depends on
                 	how the definition of a Turing Machine is stated.
                 	Clearly, a good definition would be one which
                 	states or implies a practical way to decide if an
                 	arbitrary hunk of matter possesses the property of
                 	being a Turing Machine.  In this case, it's safe
                 	to assume that the problem was well-posed, meaning
                 	that the definition was sufficiently complete.

       Achilles: 	So what happened next?

       Tortoise: 	You mean what does my model of Turing's brain
                 	suggest as the next logical step?

       Achilles: 	Of course, Mr. T.  I quite forgot what level we
                 	were operating on.

       Tortoise: 	Next, Machine `A' would be asked if Machine `A'
                 	itself fit the definition of a Turing Machine!

       Achilles: 	Wow!  You mean you can ask a machine to examine
                 	its own makeup?
	
       Tortoise: 	Why not?  In fact many modern computers have
                 	built-in self diagnostic systems.  Why can't a
                 	computer devise a diagnostic program to see what
                 	kind of computer it is?  As long as it's given the
                 	definition of a Turing Machine, it can administer
                 	the test to itself and see if it passes.

       Achilles: 	Holy Holism!  Computers can become self-aware of
                 	what they are?!

       Tortoise: 	That would seem to be the case.
	
       Achilles: 	What happens next?

       Tortoise: 	You tell me.

       Achilles: 	The Turing Machine tries the Turing Test on a
                 	human.

       Tortoise: 	Very good.  And what is the outcome?

       Achilles: 	The human passes?
	
       Tortoise: 	Right!

       Achilles: 	So Alan Turing concludes that he's nothing more
                 	than a Turing Machine, which makes him so
                 	depressed he eventually commits suicide.

       Tortoise: 	Maybe.

       Achilles: 	What else could there be?

       Tortoise: 	Let's go back to your last conclusion.  You said,
                 	"Turing concludes that he's nothing more than a
                 	Turing Machine."

       Achilles: 	I don't follow your point.

       Tortoise: 	Suppose Turing wants to prove conclusively that he
                 	was something more than "just a Turing Machine."

       Achilles: 	I see.  He had a Turing Machine in him, but he
                 	wanted to know what else he was that was more than
                 	just a machine.

       Tortoise: 	Right.  So he searched for some way to discover
                 	how he differed from a machine in an important
                 	way.

       Achilles: 	And he couldn't discover any way?

       Tortoise: 	Not necessarily.  He may have known of several
                 	ways.  For example, he could have tried to fall in
                 	love.

       Achilles: 	Why falling in love is the easiest thing in the
                 	world.

       Tortoise: 	Not if you try to do it.  Then it's impossible!

       Achilles: 	I see your point.

       Tortoise: 	In any event, there is no evidence that Turing
                 	ever fell in love, even though he must have known
                 	it was possible.  Maybe he didn't know that one
                 	shouldn't try so hard.

       Achilles: 	So he committed suicide in despair?

       Tortoise: 	Maybe.

       Achilles: 	What else could there be?

       Tortoise: 	The last possibility that comes to mind is that
                 	Turing suspected there was something he was
                 	overlooking.

       Achilles: 	And what is that?

       Tortoise: 	Could a Turing Machine discover the properties of
                 	a Turing Machine without being told?

       Achilles: 	Gee, I don't know.  But it could discover the
                 	properties of another machine that it could do
                 	experiments on.

       Tortoise: 	Would it ever think to do such experiments on
                 	itself?

       Achilles: 	I don't know.  Does it even know what the word
                 	"itself" points to?

       Tortoise: 	Who would have given it the idea of "self"?

       Achilles: 	I don't know.  It reminds me of Narcissus
                 	discovering his reflection in a pool of water and
                 	falling in love with himself.

       Tortoise: 	Well, I haven't finished my research yet, but I
                 	suspect that a Turing Machine, without outside
                 	assistance, could not discover the complete
                 	definition of itself, nor would it think to ask
                 	itself the question, "Am I a Turing Machine?" if
                 	it were simply given the definition of one as a
                 	mathematical abstraction.

       Achilles: 	In other words, if Alan Turing did ask himself the
                 	question, "Am I (Alan Turing) a Turing Machine?"
                 	the very act of posing the question proves he
                 	isn't one!

       Tortoise: 	That's my conjecture.

       Achilles: 	So he committed suicide to prove he wasn't one,
                 	because he didn't realize that he already had all
                 	the evidence he needed to prove that he was
                 	intellectually more complex than a mere Turing
                 	Machine.

       Tortoise: 	Perhaps.

       Achilles: 	Well, I would be most interested to discover the
                 	final answer when you complete your research on
                 	this most interesting question.

       Tortoise: 	My friend, if we live long enough, we're bound to
                 	find the answer.

       Achilles: 	Good day, Mr. T!

       Tortoise: 	Good day, Achilles.