[comp.ai] 2 talks by Herb Simon at Rutgers Thursday Feb. 23

mostow@fokker.rutgers.edu (Jack Mostow) (02/22/89)

		NOBEL LAUREATE HERBERT SIMON TO VISIT RUTGERS

Nobel laureate DR. HERBERT SIMON, Richard King Mellon University Professor of
Computer Science and Psychology at Carnegie-Mellon University, will present two
special Computer Science Department Colloquia at Rutgers University on Feb. 23.
Dr. Simon, one of the founders of artificial intelligence, has been honored by
such diverse bodies as the American Psychological Association, the Association
for Computing Machinery, the American Political Science Association, the
American Economic Association, and the Institute of Electrical and Electronic
Engineers for his research on human decision-making and problem-solving and
their implications for social institutions.  He has published over 600 papers
and 20 books.  A member of the National Academy of Sciences since 1967, he
received the Alfred Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences in 1978 and the
National Medal of Science in 1986.  Dr. Simon has been Chairman of the Board of
Directors of the Social Science Research Council, and of the Behavioral Science
Division of the National Research Council, and was a member of the President's
Science Advisory Committee.


		"LOGIC PROGRAMMING: A WRONG ROAD FOR AI"

Time:  10:30am Thursday, February 23

Place:  Hill Center 114, Busch Campus, Rutgers University

Audience:  This talk assumes a graduate level computer science background.

Abstract:  Logic programming derives from the metaphor of formal logic, a
technology for verifying statements rigorously rather than for discovering
them, which is necessarily inefficient for the latter purpose.  Logic
programming, in languages like PROLOG, discourages the proliferation of
inference rules (aka "operators"); but effective search and discovery
algorithms use such rules freely, including rules that are not analytic but
incorporate assumptions from the subject-matter domain.  The discouragingly
slow progress of automatic theorem proving can be attributed to the adherence
to the logic metaphor rather than the more satisfactory heuristic search
metaphor.  STRIPS is an interesting example of the abandonment of logic
programming for heuristic search in the face of realistic problems.


		"SCIENTIFIC DISCOVERY AS COMPUTATION"

Time:  2:50pm Thursday, February 23

Place:  Hill Center 114, Busch Campus, Rutgers University

Audience:  This talk is aimed at a general audience interested in artificial
intelligence and the process of scientific discovery.

Abstract:  The past decade has seen the creation of a substantial number of AI
programs that are capable of making discoveries at a non-trivial (professional)
level.  Such programs include Meta-Dendral, AM and EURISKO, BACON and its
associates (DALTON, GLAUBER, STAHL), and KEDADA.  From these programs, we have
learned much about the heuristics required for discovery, including heuristics
for searching spaces of functions, heuristics for exploiting surprise, and
heuristics for inventing new concepts.  The prospects will be discussed of
extending these advances to all major types of scientific activities, including
the invention and design of problem representations.


Dr. Simon's host is Asst. Prof. Jack Mostow of the Computer Science Department.

For more information, contact Ms. Carol Petty at 932-2928.

jack@cs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin) (03/01/89)

mostow@fokker.rutgers.edu (Jack Mostow) wrote:
  
> [Herb Simon:]  The past decade has seen the creation of a substantial number
> of AI programs that are capable of making discoveries at a non-trivial
> (professional) level.  Such programs include Meta-Dendral, AM and EURISKO,
> BACON and its associates (DALTON, GLAUBER, STAHL), and KEDADA.

I am by no means up-to-date on AI, but I don't believe this.  AM never did
more than rediscover trivialities.  Have any of the others made any discovery
that could get into a refereed journal on its content rather than curiosity
value?  Has anyone ever used them for more than routine drudgework?  Ever seen
one of them cited in "Cell" or "Physics Review Letters" as making an essential
contribution to an experimental design?  Has any of them come up with a proof
strategy subsequently used in a real mathematical paper?

"Capable" is the sort of jam-tomorrow weasel-word we've had from Simon and his
ilk for the last thirty years.  What have these things *actually achieved*?

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jbn@glacier.STANFORD.EDU (John B. Nagle) (03/04/89)

      See "Why AM and Eurisko Appear to Work", by Lenat and Brown, in
Huberman's "Computational Ecology" work.  This is an important paper, and
explains why AM seemed to do so well at first but eventually hit a wall.
They say it best: "Although we generally described it as 'exploring in
the space of math concepts', what it really was doing from moment to
moment was "syntactically mutating small LISP programs'.  Rather than
disdaining it for that reason, we saw that that was its salvation, its
chief source of power, the reason that it had such a high hit rate; AM
was exploting the natural tie between LISP and mathematics."

					John Nagle

robinson@pravda.gatech.edu (Stephen M. Robinson) (03/07/89)

In article <2493@crete.cs.glasgow.ac.uk> jack@cs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin) writes:

>mostow@fokker.rutgers.edu (Jack Mostow) wrote:

>> [Herb Simon:]  The past decade has seen the creation of a substantial number
>> of AI programs that are capable of making discoveries at a non-trivial
>> (professional) level.  Such programs include Meta-Dendral, AM and EURISKO,
>> BACON and its associates (DALTON, GLAUBER, STAHL), and KEDADA.

>I am by no means up-to-date on AI, but I don't believe this. ....
>    .... What have these things *actually achieved*?

>Jack Campin  *  Computing Science Department, Glasgow University, 17 Lilybank

BACON, GLAUBER, DALTON and STAHL are programs designed not to discover new
things but rather to show that it is possible to account for scientific
discovery computationally without having to make appeal to some mysterious
"intuition," especially when run cooperatively.  See the book _Scientific
Discovery_ by Langley, Simon and Bradshaw, 1987.  These programs are tools
for studying the process of discovery more than programs designed to make
discoveries which are completely new to their domains.

Stephen M. Robinson

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hundt@paul.rutgers.edu (Thomas M. Hundt) (03/08/89)

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>I am by no means up-to-date on AI, but I don't believe this. ....
>    .... What have these things *actually achieved*?

BACON, GLAUBER, DALTON and STAHL are programs designed not to discover new
things but rather to show that it is possible to account for scientific
discovery computationally without having to make appeal to some mysterious
"intuition," especially when run cooperatively.  See the book _Scientific
Discovery_ by Langley, Simon and Bradshaw, 1987.  These programs are tools
for studying the process of discovery more than programs designed to make
discoveries which are completely new to their domains.
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Right, Simon's theme in his second talk was basically that it doesn't
take genius to be a "genius".  Or more precisely, any intelligent person
following a certain logical series of steps may arrive at an important
discovery, given the underlying information and a given stimulus.

F'r instance, there was Fleming and his mold that killed bacteria.  Now,
here was a guy who knew a lot about bacteria, and knew what to expect. 
So, he found that on a Petri dish he didn't bother to clean ("sometimes
you find interesting things that way") a mold was killing some bacteria. 
This got his attention, because it did not fit in with his expectations. 
He asked questions: is it a particular type of bacteria? What about the
mold? etc.  Logical questions.  Generalize the occurrance, use
experiments to find the answers.  Draw new conclusions.  Design new
experiments.  Etc. 

Simon's example programs showed that is possible to mechanize these
steps, at least to some degree.

. . .

He also mentioned that to become a World Class Scholar (a big term these
days at Rutgers, where they're always hiring one or another; we
mis-pronounce the abbreviation "wixel"), one needs to know a *lot* about
one's field, 50000 or so facts, where a "fact" is about equivalent to
knowledge about an English word.  Most people have vocabularies in the
range of 50000 words, to give an idea.  The other thing you need is 10
years intense use of that knowledge, in one's field of expertise.
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