[comp.ai] A philosopher's view of the Chinese Room

newsuser@LTH.Se (LTH network news server) (03/08/89)

Mr. Steven Harnad, Princeton, has vigorously denied being a philosopher.
It is really a pity that there are so few philosophers on the net :-)
Now over to the room:

1. The example is very unrealistic in the first place. Before Searle would
   be able to produced good translations/answers, he would surely have
   learnt a lot of chinese. Let us forget this for the sake of argument.

2. One way of defining understanding is to say that anything acting in
   a certain way (answering questions in chinese) understands. In this
   sense, the Searle + room system has understanding. (Turing would have
   liked this sense, I think.)

3. Subjective understanding roughly means that a mind (introspectively)
   knows itself to have understanding. It is only this particular mind
   that can know itself to have understanding in this sense.

Thus, Harnad's argument (that there is no subjective understanding by
the Searle + room system) is simply wrong. The truth is that we don't
know. There might be understanding minds all over the place, but as long
as we can't observe any signs of them, we just don't know. So this attack
on the "symbol crunching" fails.

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rapaport@sunybcs.uucp (William J. Rapaport) (03/15/89)

In article <1989Mar8.153202.4302@LTH.Se> janeric@Control.LTH.Se (Jan Eric Larsson) writes:
>...
>It is really a pity that there are so few philosophers on the net :-)

Well, there are _some_, even some who are also AI researchers, but this
one, at least, prefers to abide by his published commentaries on Searle
for now.  See the following of mine:

Rapaport, William J. (1985), "Machine Understanding and Data
Abstraction in Searle's Chinese Room," _Proceedings of the 7th Annual
Meeting of the Cognitive Science Society_ (_University of California at
Irvine_) (Hillsdale, NJ:  Lawrence Erlbaum Associates):  341-345.

Rapaport, William J. (1986), "Searle's Experiments with Thought,"
_Philosophy of Science_ 53:  271-279.

Rapaport, William J. (1987), "Philosophy, Artificial Intelligence, and
the Chinese-Room Argument," _Abacus_ 3 (Summer 1986) 6-17;
correspondence, _Abacus_ 4 (Winter 1987) 6-7, _Abacus_ 4 (Spring 1987) 5-7.

Rapaport, William J. (1988), "Syntactic Semantics:  Foundations of
Computational Natural-Language Understanding," in J. H. Fetzer (ed.)
_Aspects of Artificial Intelligence_ (Dordrecht, Holland:  Kluwer
Academic Publishers):  81-131.

Rapaport, William J. (1988), "To Think or Not to Think" (critical study
of Searle's _Minds, Brains and Science_), _Nous_ 22:  585-609.

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