segedy@cspi.com (Cathy Segedy) (07/11/89)
Hello. I am currently taking a course in Expert Systems. We have an extended group project to do. As one of the sections of it, we are supposed to compare one or more expert system shells with an expert system language (the language has to be OPS5, since that is what one of our other projects used). Anyway, I was wondering if there were any public-domain shells for either UNIX, DOS, VMS, or Macintosh which someone could suggest to me, as well as how to get it/them in a short amount of time. Also, if anyone knows of companies which have demo-disks, this might be usefull. The professor will be handing out a demo-disk with one shell on it, but our group wanted to do several shells. I appreciate any help or advice which anyone can give me, and thanks in advance. cathy segedy best choice: decvax!bu-tyng!csegedy other possibilities: decvax!cspi!segedy apollo!cspi!segedy my opinions are my own, and do not represent my job or my school.
mitchf@hpcvlx.HP.COM (Mitchel Fry) (07/13/89)
>... >I was wondering if there were any public-domain shells for either UNIX, DOS >VMS, or Macintosh which someone could suggest to me, as well as how to get >it/them in a short amount of time. Also, if anyone knows of companies which >have demo-disks, this might be usefull. The professor will be handing out >a demo-disk with one shell on it, but our group wanted to do several shells. >I appreciate any help or advice which anyone can give me, and thanks in >in advance ...decvax!bu-tyng!csegedy I have written a DOS based expert system shell that uses a windowing user interface and is based on a standard backward chaining inference system. It includes a structured rule editor, notepad editor, and on-line user manual. I have been using it to teach expert systems as part of an undergrad AI course at Western Oregon State College. It has also been used at Oregon State ( Home Econ for Nutrition Expert Systems) and the Univ. of Washington ( School of Education). It is currently available in three forms: A public domain version limited to 25 rules, A student version limited to 50 rules, and a Full version ( 300-500 rules depending on complexity). I will be happy to send you a PD version of the program if you will email me your address. Mitch Fry hp-pcd!hpcvlx!mitchf /* for the summer, then its back to Oregon State */
880716a@aucs.uucp (Dave Astels) (07/18/89)
In article <102930001@hpcvlx.HP.COM> mitchf@hpcvlx.HP.COM (Mitchel Fry) writes: >I have written a DOS based expert system shell >... >A public domain version How about posting the PD version to comp.binaries.ibm.pc ? I would like to play with an ES shell a bit, after taking a very theoretical ES course last semester. I'm sure there are many others that would like to see it as well. You don't mention the distribution methods for the other versions. - Dave 880716a@Acadia 880716a@aucs.UUCP -- - Dave 880716a@Acadia 880716a@aucs.UUCP
mitchf@hpcvlx.HP.COM (Mitchel Fry) (07/19/89)
/ hpcvlx:comp.ai / 880716a@aucs.uucp (Dave Astels) / 4:04 am Jul 18, 1989 / >In article <102930001@hpcvlx.HP.COM> mitchf@hpcvlx.HP.COM (Mitchel Fry) writes: >>I have written a DOS based expert system shell >>... >>A public domain version > >How about posting the PD version to comp.binaries.ibm.pc ? > >I would like to play with an ES shell a bit, after taking a very theoretical >ES course last semester. I'm sure there are many others that would like to >see it as well. > >You don't mention the distribution methods for the other versions. I would be glad to post the PD version of the system to comp.binaries.ibm.pc however, I have not used notes/cs-net that much except for reading some of the groups that I have interests in ( comp.ai ...). So how do you send binaries to the system ( The total size of the Binaries and support files is about 250K)?? I have had a LARGE number of requests (30+) for the PD version of the "Expert Consultant" shell and have just mailed all of those requests out today via USPS (slug mail). The student version and full versions of the system I sell for nominal fees ( $15 and $75). There is also a runtime only version that has all of the development tools removed and can be compiled with a developed and tested rule set for end user delivery, so that rules cannot be altered by the enduser. The only difference in the systems is the number of rules that can be used ( 25 for PD, 50 for Student, 400-500 for the Full version). My main design effort on this Shell has been to keep is simple and easy to use so that it is practical to teach a short section on Expert Systems in an undergrad AI course and have students be able to learn to use the shell and write a small rule set within a 3 week period. If there appears to be enough interest in the full version, I may port it to OS/2 and Presentation Manager in order to add a better User interface and to significantly increase its potential rule space ( possible up to several thousand rules all present in real memory). Included in the PD version of the shell are three example rules sets created by some of my students ( a bankruptcy ES, a golf consultant, and a rock identification system). These are definately STUDENT projects though and all three were done in 2-3 weeks, so... For all of you who have requested copies, THANX for your interest, and I hope that you find it useful. I will be interested in any feedback you may wish to give me. MITCH
gors@well.UUCP (Gordon Stewart) (07/23/89)
I have been working with CLIPS, and ES shell with powerful pattern
matching, great speed and portability (written in C) -- I have
been using the executable version which I got when I bought
the book:
Expert Systems / Principles and Programming
Giarratano & Riley, PWS-KENT, Boston 1989
This has prompted me to order the source, which is currently around $350
for the 25,000 lines of C. I plan to make my own extensions, foreign
function interface, etc -- so I'd be willing to post the source when I
get it -- the license does not restrict me from doing so in any way,
since it's free to Government users, was built by NASA, and etc, etc
CLIPS on my 386 box is as fast as LISP-based ESs on LISP Machines.
The book is $60-65 -- and well worth it. I will entertain detailed
questions about features of CLIPS if delivered via e-mail
m sierchio
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(Doolan) | (Meyer) | (Sierchio) | (Stewart)andy@ucbarpa.Berkeley.EDU (Andrew Purshottam) (07/24/89)
The $300 price is curious, I have seen adds for clips from Austin Code works asking $30, and I have been told that federally funded research projects (like my prof's) can get it for free?! What gives? Andy
ntm1169@dsacg1.UUCP (Mott Given) (07/24/89)
From article <12825@well.UUCP>, by gors@well.UUCP (Gordon Stewart):
> I have been working with CLIPS, and ES shell with powerful pattern ...
I am a CLIPS user also. I would like to correspond with you but I am
not sure how to send email to you. We are on both UUCP and MILNET, and I
would prefer to reply to you via the MILNET backbone of the INTERNET. I am
not familiar with electronic addresses ending with "sf.ca.us." What country
are you posting from? Does a reply to your email address with "sf.ca.us"
require including an email relay server in the address, such as
"nsfnet-relay.ac.uk"?
Also, I am interested in finding more about the Garriantano book. What info
does it have that the CLIPS reference manual doesn't have?
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From article <15762@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>, by andy@ucbarpa.Berkeley.EDU (Andrew Purshottam):
> The $300 price is curious, I have seen adds for clips from ...
CLIPS is available free to U.S. government agencies. It is not in the public
domain . For more information, contact an agency that distributes it,
COSMIC, at 404-542-3265.
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INTERNET: mgiven@dsacg1.dla.mil UUCP: ntm1169@dsacg1.uucp
Phone: 614-238-9431 AUTOVON: 850-9431 FAX: 614-238-3214 I speak for myselfgors@well.UUCP (Gordon Stewart) (07/25/89)
In article <15762@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> andy@ucbarpa.Berkeley.EDU >> (Andrew Purshottam) writes: >>>The $300 price is curious, I have seen adds for clips from >>>Austin Code works asking $30, and I have been told that >>>federally funded research projects (like my prof's) can >>>get it for free?! What gives? >>> >>>Andy I gather that the difference is mainly copious printed documentation and user's guide, when ordered from COSMIC, vs. just source and on-line docs from Austin Codeworks. Yes, it's freely available to government workers, or grantees -- the $350 does include updates, etc. For a commercial shop (like me :-)), the $350 is worth it for printed docs and (limited) support. The $35 for the CLIPS v4.2 from Austin Codeworks is a good deal, though -- and the ~$65 I paid for the book (at Cody's in Berkeley) with the executable version was even better! Now, I'd like to make a version for Phar Lap's DOS XTENDER to run a true '386 version under MS-DOS, and a V/386 version -- still climbing the learning curve on CLIPS itself -- the ports should be a snap. m sierchio vox (415) 528-044 -- {apple, pacbell, hplabs, ucbvax}!well!gors gors@well.sf.ca.us (Doolan) | (Meyer) | (Sierchio) | (Stewart)
mitchf@hpcvlx.HP.COM (Mitchel Fry) (07/25/89)
I would be interested in the address/phone of Austin Code Works and a refference to Garriantano Book ( Where is it available from). Has anyone done a port to OS/2? Or other ports ( 680x0 systems?). Thanks Lots...MITCH
ntm1169@dsacg1.UUCP (Mott Given) (07/26/89)
From article <102930003@hpcvlx.HP.COM>, by mitchf@hpcvlx.HP.COM (Mitchel Fry):
> refference to Garriantano Book ( Where is it available from). Has anyone
The Giarrantano book is "Expert Systems: Principles and Programming"
published by PWS-Kent Publishing Co., 20 Park Plaza, Boston, MA 02116 ,
1-800-354-9706. It costs $51.50 + $2.00 shipping and handling + your
state's sales tax.
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INTERNET: mgiven@dsacg1.dla.mil UUCP: ntm1169@dsacg1.uucp
Phone: 614-238-9431 AUTOVON: 850-9431 FAX: 614-238-3214 I speak for myselfgors@well.UUCP (Gordon Stewart) (07/27/89)
Austin Codeworks:
acw!info@uunet.uu.net
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