[comp.ai] illiterate society

raza@cs.hw.ac.uk (raz(a)) (03/02/90)

Speech synthesis systems are already with us and speech recognition is
improving all the time, within the next 100 years we can expect to see
the arrival of machines whose main communication medium is speech (or
iconic for the hearing impaired). Compare this with the advent of the
pocket calculator, this was heralded as the first step towards an 
innumerate society.

What is the likelyhood of these developments leading to a society that
is illiterate ? is it a bad thing ?  will this mean a reliance of our
society on this kind of technology ?
Raza Hussain                        janet : raza@uk.ac.hw.cs
computer science,                 arpanet : raza@cs.hw.ac.uk
heriot watt uni., Edinburgh          uucp : ..ukc!cs.hw.ac.uk!raza

marie@ernie.Berkeley.EDU (Marie desJardins) (03/03/90)

In article <808@odin.cs.hw.ac.uk> raza@cs.hw.ac.uk (raz(a)) writes:
>Speech synthesis systems are already with us and speech recognition is
>improving all the time...  Compare this with the advent of the
>pocket calculator, this was heralded as the first step towards an 
>innumerate society.  What is the likelyhood of these developments 
>leading to a society that is illiterate ?

You raise an interesting question.  But I don't believe widespread
illiteracy will be a problem (at least not as a result of speech
synthesis) for several reasons:
    - Consider, as you mention, the invention of the pocket 
      calculator.  Yes, in a way, we have come to depend on
      the calculator to do even relatively simple calculations.
      On the other hand, the reliability is significantly higher
      than when all calculations had to be performed by hand,
      ease and speed of performing calculations has been greatly
      increased, and most importantly, most people can still add
      and subtract (notwithstanding McDonald's workers who can't
      make change until the computer tells them how much to return),
      although they probably can't rattle off multiplication tables
      as readily as schoolchildren could in the early 1900s.
      (Of course, I never did learn my multiplication tables,
      so I don't think this is a great loss. :-)
    - Consider also the invention of the printing press.  Prior
      to the widespread availability of printed texts, the oral
      tradition was much stronger than it is today.  Educated 
      people were expected to memorize literature, poetry,
      famous speeches, and so forth.  That skill was simply
      supplanted by other skills when it became superfluous.
      (Although I must admit I am still amazed by the idea
      that somebody could memorize the entire Iliad!)
    - Finally, I really can't imagine speech synthesis ever
      completely replacing the written word.  There are certain
      freedoms the written word provides that synthesized
      speech can't: you can quickly scan material, you can read
      at your own pace, pausing whenever you feel like it 
      without requesting that the system stop, and so forth.

Here's a question, then: can anybody else envision a communication
method that could completely eradicate the written word?  Even
a system that uses graphics and speech synthesis liberally
wouldn't (in my mind) have the ability to transmit information
simply and conveniently that written text have.  

Here's another question (although I'm getting away from the
results of AI technology, so I guess this is now officially
in the wrong group): how many people think that widespread
use of calculators has actually led to "innumeracy"?  [To
forestall responses of the McDonald's server sort as raised
above, I would argue that those people probably wouldn't
have had very good arithmetic skills anyway, and the real
effect of the computer-cash-register in that case is to
make it easier for people with poor arithmetic skills to
work in McDonald's.]

Marie desJardins
marie@ernie.berkey.edu

dmocsny@uceng.UC.EDU (daniel mocsny) (03/04/90)

In article <34666@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> marie@ernie.Berkeley.EDU.UUCP (Marie desJardins) writes:
>    - Consider, as you mention, the invention of the pocket 
>      calculator.  Yes, in a way, we have come to depend on
>      the calculator to do even relatively simple calculations.
[...]
>    - Consider also the invention of the printing press.  Prior
>      to the widespread availability of printed texts [...] Educated 
>      people were expected to memorize literature, poetry,
>      famous speeches, and so forth.  That skill was simply
>      supplanted by other skills when it became superfluous.

Until we find some way to increase human intelligence, the capacity of
a given person can think is essentially fixed. Since intelligence is a
necessary ingredient in the individual's ability to generate wealth,
the only way the individual can generate more wealth with this finite
resource is to progressively engineer away the need to think. People
can do this in four main ways:

1. Build machines that can replace some of the mechanical aspects of
thinking, and relegate mental tasks to them.

2. Engineer society to support wealth creation with less thought.  For
example, consider transportation technology. The problem of
negotiating a rough trail requires much more thought than the problem
of traversing a smoothly paved road. The greater thought required to
grade and pave the road pays off in the thought saved during its
repeated use. The next step up from the road is the railroad, upon
which large vehicles may be safely directed with least thought of all.

Standards are another essential aspect of engineering society to
reduce thought requirements. A little reflection shows this to be
obvious. E.g., consider how much extra thought you must waste when you
move repeatedly back and forth between several computer terminals with
spuriously variable keyboard layouts. The computer industry, of course,
is today imposing thought requirements on society that are vastly in
excess of what is necessary. In other words, horizontal fragmentation
in the computer industry is destroying wealth on the scale of a large
natural or artificial disaster.

3. Multiply the consequences of thought by scaling up industrial
processes. For example, in chemical engineering, you can design
a 1000 ton/day process with the same labor (i.e., thought)
requirement as a 100 ton/day process. It's a little bit harder
than simply multiplying everything on the blueprint by a capacity
of 10, but not much harder. If you build a 10 m^2 mixing tank, you
must hire a worker to watch it. The same worker can as well watch
a 100 m^2 tank.

4. Fragment thought requirements into narrow domains and permit each
person to specialize in just one or few. People think much more
effectively after long practice. Since no one person can yet master
all the skills necessary to maintain a complex technological society,
we have no choice but to divide labor. (This relates to point 3; each
specialist must multiply her/his effectiveness by a large enough
factor to make up for the thousands of other people who do not have
her/his skills.)

>Here's a question, then: can anybody else envision a communication
>method that could completely eradicate the written word?

Of course. You already satisfy *many* or your
information/communication requirements with such a system. How does
your motor cortex communicate with your musculo-skeletal system
(muscles, motor neurons, proprioceptors, etc.) to allow you to walk
across the room without falling down? Hint: it isn't by composing
written reports and minutes and shipping them off to its "branch
offices."

Obviously, however, your question pertains to the difficult task of
coupling autonomous intelligent entities into an organic, symbiotic
whole, when they have no built-in organic links. I suppose we should
look to the human nervous system for guidance here. No matter how
efficient you may be at generating, distributing, and assimilating
text, that can never be as good as *just* *knowing*.

Dan Mocsny
dmocsny@uceng.uc.edu

aipdc@castle.ed.ac.uk (Paul D. Crowley) (03/04/90)

Computer interfaces should see to use the fastest channel available for
communication. For input, this means speech. For output, it still means
writing. I think the twenty-six will be around for a long while yet.
-- 
\/ o\ "I say we grease this rat-fuck son-of-a-bitch Paul D Crowley
/\__/ right now. No offense." - Aliens.             aipdc@uk.ac.ed.castle

lws@comm.WANG.COM (Lyle Seaman) (03/06/90)

raza@cs.hw.ac.uk (raz(a)) writes:

>Speech synthesis systems are already with us and speech recognition is
>improving all the time, within the next 100 years we can expect to see
>the arrival of machines whose main communication medium is speech (or
>iconic for the hearing impaired). Compare this with the advent of the
>pocket calculator, this was heralded as the first step towards an 
>innumerate society.

>What is the likelyhood of these developments leading to a society that
>is illiterate ? is it a bad thing ?  will this mean a reliance of our
>society on this kind of technology ?

If you say "mostly illiterate", might be.  But look at it this way.
 ** Why do we consider literacy a good thing? **
Well, it allows one-to-many information transfer, asynchronously, which is
crucial for communication, education, modern business, etc.  But is literacy
*intrinsically* good?  I think not.  If another technology comes along and
replaces written language, then it will only be because it is *more useful*
than written language.  And yes, we may become reliant on this kind of
technology, but we are already reliant on the telephone which has replaced
the role of written language considerably.  So what's wrong with reliance on
a technology?  A: Perhaps someday the technology may become unavailable.
What would we do then?  Well, what we would we do if telephones suddenly 
disappeared (unlikely)?  I imagine we'd write a lot more letters.  And
our society _would_ be different.  So I don't believe that society AS
WE NOW KNOW IT will rely on such a technology, I think that the society
produced as a result of the technology would unavoidably depend on it.

On the other hand, it is doubtful that speech technology alone could 
replace written language.  The bandwidth of the visual channel is so 
much greater than the bandwidth of the aural channel.  Yes, spoken 
language does convey certain  nuances that written language may fail to
convey (sarcasm, for instance).  But sarcasm is not usually an essential
feature of physics texts.  Being able to control the rate of assimilation
is very important to understanding information-dense subjects, being able
to back up and re-read a phrase or a paragraph, easily and quickly.

So in summary:
No, I don't think speech technology alone will cause wide-spread illiteracy.
But if some technology did do so, I don't think we would suffer by it.

Lyle.
lws%comm.wang.com@uunet.uu.net

dmocsny@uceng.UC.EDU (daniel mocsny) (03/06/90)

In article <1990Mar5.173358.25523@comm.WANG.COM> lws@comm.WANG.COM (Lyle Seaman) writes:
>Well, what we would we do if telephones suddenly 
>disappeared (unlikely)?  I imagine we'd write a lot more letters.  And
>our society _would_ be different.  So I don't believe that society AS

It's not unlikely at all, at least locally and temporarily. The
telephone network has many critical exchanges whose failure can
paralyze communications for tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands
of customers.  Thanks to the general reliability of the phone system,
these failures are rare. But they do occur, and the well-known result
is bedlam and severe economic losses. If telephones suddenly
disappeared, we would not simply "write a lot more letters." Rather,
our entire financial and industrial systems would collapse within days
if not hours, authorities would be unable to maintain order, and
starvation would set into large cities within weeks.

>WE NOW KNOW IT will rely on such a technology, I think that the society
>produced as a result of the technology would unavoidably depend on it.

Well yes, that is exactly true. As long as human population continues
to increase, and social institutions become ever more complex, we need
more technological inputs to keep the show running. Once we incorporate
a technology, we can't simply pull the plug on it. We've already
burned the bridge behind us. Our only choice is to press on, replacing
each old technology with more effective new technologies. Or else
allow 90% of the population to die.

>On the other hand, it is doubtful that speech technology alone could 
>replace written language.  The bandwidth of the visual channel is so 
>much greater than the bandwidth of the aural channel.  Yes, spoken 
>language does convey certain  nuances that written language may fail to
>convey (sarcasm, for instance).  But sarcasm is not usually an essential
>feature of physics texts.  Being able to control the rate of assimilation
>is very important to understanding information-dense subjects, being able
>to back up and re-read a phrase or a paragraph, easily and quickly.

I find that I experience rapid fatigue listening to a technical
discussion, whereas I can read the same level of material for hours if
necessary. I suspect most of the problem stems from being unable to
control the rate or content of the incoming data. Also, the spoken
word is inherently serial data, whereas text + graphics can take on a
parallel structure. For example, by laying out many text blocks on a
desk or workstation screen, the information worker can establish a
spatial framework for organizing and digesting complex information.
Since humans are good at spatial reasoning, apparently the ability to
associate glancing in a given location with obtaining a certain fact
is a great adjunct to learning. Consider how transparent the menu
structure of a familiar program can become. You can formulate
"questions" for the machine simply by a mechanical movement or
gesture. This may be easier than abstracting those questions into
verbal queries.

For a speech-based interface to be generally useful, it would have to
contain at least some of the abilities of the human expert. The human
expert is able to listen to the scrambled queries from the human client,
deduce what the client is *really* asking, and then tell the client.
But I don't know how the speech-based interface would derive an advantage
over an equally smart graphics interface. Of course, in field and real-time
applications, speech-based interfaces would be very useful, for the
worker who doesn't have any free hands, must keep visual attention locked
on real-world objects, or must receive alarm messages quickly.

Dan Mocsny
dmocsny@uceng.uc.edu

smoliar@vaxa.isi.edu (Stephen Smoliar) (03/06/90)

In article <1990Mar5.173358.25523@comm.WANG.COM> lws@comm.WANG.COM (Lyle
Seaman) writes:
>raza@cs.hw.ac.uk (raz(a)) writes:
>
>>Speech synthesis systems are already with us and speech recognition is
>>improving all the time, within the next 100 years we can expect to see
>>the arrival of machines whose main communication medium is speech (or
>>iconic for the hearing impaired). Compare this with the advent of the
>>pocket calculator, this was heralded as the first step towards an 
>>innumerate society.
>
>>What is the likelyhood of these developments leading to a society that
>>is illiterate ? is it a bad thing ?  will this mean a reliance of our
>>society on this kind of technology ?
>
>If you say "mostly illiterate", might be.  But look at it this way.
> ** Why do we consider literacy a good thing? **
>Well, it allows one-to-many information transfer, asynchronously, which is
>crucial for communication, education, modern business, etc.  But is literacy
>*intrinsically* good?  I think not.  If another technology comes along and
>replaces written language, then it will only be because it is *more useful*
>than written language.

This is all very well and good as it stands, but I think it misses the
cautionary point which was initially raised.  The  two advantages that written
communication has over verbal communication is that it is NOT REAL TIME and it
is basically RANDOM ACCESS.  In other words, I can take as much time as I want
with a piece of printed text and read it in any order which serves my attempts
to extract information from it.  Yes, I can record the spoken word;  but I
shall never have the flexibility of access I have with printed text.

Now I am not yet sure of this, but I would be willing to try to mount an
argument that written material is more conducive to thought than spoken
material.  When I am dealing with spoken text, I take it as in comes;
and then it goes.  My degree of retention is very much a function of
the skill of the speaker, enhanced by my own powers of attention.  If
the material is written and I miss something, I can always go back and
read it again.

I think the danger we must confront is that we may become too enamored of
communication which becomes more and more real-time.  This removes us from
situations in which we can ponder at our leisure, exercising those "little
grey cells" to find the message in the text.  We work with written material
in learning physics because learning physics is hard work;  we cannot simply
absorb it from the right kind of real-time presentation.  If communication
through speech-processing systems discourages our ability to work with printed
texts, then it may ultimately erode our ability to think for ourselves.

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gilham@csl.sri.com (Fred Gilham) (03/07/90)

Lyle Seaman (I think) writes:
  If you say "mostly illiterate", might be.  But look at it this way.
   ** Why do we consider literacy a good thing? **
  Well, it allows one-to-many information transfer, asynchronously,
  which is crucial for communication, education, modern business, etc.
  But is literacy *intrinsically* good?  I think not.  If another
  technology comes along and replaces written language, then it will
  only be because it is *more useful* than written language.
====================

The thing that concerns me about this statement is that it doesn't
address the question: More useful to whom?  Taking television as an
example, the question has two answers: Television is useful to
advertisers and to governments (the former mostly in the USA, the
latter in many other countries).  Television (in its current form) has
definite disadvantages as a communications medium (limited access,
passive reception, a strong tendency to trivialize everything it
touches), yet it is the most popular medium in the U.S. apart from
speech.  (In some families it even supplants that....)

Television has broken many promises.  It was supposed to educate; in
the U.S. it undermines education.  It was supposed to create a sort of
global village that everyone can participate in; it has homogenized
our culture without increasing our ability to affect one another as
individuals.  By some sort of process that nobody forsaw, its prime
purpose is now to attract viewers.  Anything that does not perform
sufficiently well in meeting that demand falls by the wayside.

There is no guarantee that any change, technological or otherwise,
will be an ``advance.''  
--
Fred Gilham    gilham@csl.sri.com 
"The culture of any period is a mixture of that which docilely caters
to passing whims and fancies and that which transcends these things --
and may also pass judgement on them."  -- Stanislaw Lem