chuq%plaid@Sun.COM (Chuq Von Rospach) (07/01/87)
[this is the net copy of what I just sent to the moderator/backbone mailing list. since this insanity is being argued both privately and publicly, I'm making my comments in both forums as well.] From chuq Wed Jul 1 11:01:57 1987 Date: Wed, 1 Jul 87 11:01:30 PDT From: chuq (Chuq Von Rospach) To: cbosgd!mod-back Subject: This is getting annoying... Cc: chuq I've been trying to ignore this entire discussion, both on the net and in my mailbox. But the volume is getting rather annoying, as is the strident wailing of everyone involved. I'm tired of it. It isn't making and progress, and it isn't getting any more intelligent. so I make the following, hopefully useful comment: If you don't have something intelligent to say, shut up. And some quick, hopefully intelligent things to say, and then I'll shut up: o For the record, I will not allow anyone to second guess the way I run my moderated groups. If someone has a disagreement with my policies, they can discuss it with me. But as long as I'm moderator, I have final say. Period. End of discussion. o If the net can't live with that, then I'll step down. By net, I don't mean the net at large -- not net gods, not backbone cabals, not individuals with messiah complexes or axes to grind. comp.text.desktop has (by brians numbers) 8000 readers and no complaints. I'm not going to change. I'm not going to allow someone to come in, second guess me retroactively, and change it for me. If you can't live with that, tough -- I have other things I can do with my time. o if anyone, in any way, fucks with rec.mag.otherrealms, the magazine is pulled off the net. period. exclamation point. otherrealms is a service I give to the net, not the other way around. If folks don't like it, again, I have lots of other places to spend my time -- and people can buy subscriptions to the magazine and get it in the mail. As a moderator, I have a specific vision for a group. If someone has a disagreement with that vision, we should talk. But I won't have anyone secondguessing me behind my back or reducing my authority to control the vision. If you can't live with this, just let me know, and I'll go somewhere where my contributions are appreciated. And, for the record, moderation, at least MY moderation works: o comp.text.desktop: in the first month on USENET, it garnered 8,000 readers. I've started dialogs with a couple of DTP based publishers, and there is a possible article in the works with a major computer magazine on the group. Volume is higher than I expected, and noise level is as close to nil as you'll find anywhere on the net. o rec.mag.otherrealms: issue #17 is in the works. This magazine has earned a good reputation with the publishers (for a good time, look at the publicity blurbs on "Blood of Amber" by Zelazny), a lot of support by the authors (upcoming articles include material by Jack Chalker, Harry Turtledove, interviews with Gadrner Dozois, Mike Resnick, and continuing reviews by Frank Catalano and Charles de Lint. OtherRealms has also been deemed a professional enough publication to qualify me for a membership in the SFWA. In this case the net is a large part of the readership, but a small part of the magazine -- a magazine that is picking up a strong, positive recognitition throughout the field. And if anyone thinks they can run this stuff better than I can, I suggest they try -- somewhere other than MY groups. As long as I'm moderating them, I'm moderating them. If the net can't live with success, they're welcome to the kind of trash they get in all the normal groups. Now, we return you to your normal mindless ego-babble. chuq (yes, pissed) Chuq Von Rospach chuq@sun.COM Delphi: CHUQ Touch Not the Cat Bot a Glove -- MacIntosh Clan Motto
srt@CS.UCLA.EDU (07/02/87)
In article <22508@sun.uucp> chuq%plaid@Sun.COM (Chuq Von Rospach) writes: > ... But the volume is getting rather annoying, as is the >strident wailing of everyone involved. I'm tired of it. It isn't making >and progress, and it isn't getting any more intelligent. > >so I make the following, hopefully useful comment: > > If you don't have something intelligent to say, shut up. > I looked up "irony" in the dictionary and it said "See 22508@sun.uucp". Scott R. Turner UCLA Computer Science "The spinning nexus of reality" Domain: srt@ucla.cs.edu UUCP: ...!{cepu,ihnp4,trwspp,ucbvax}!ucla-cs!srt