weemba@garnet.berkeley.edu (Obnoxious Math Grad Student) (05/24/88)
[The replied-to article appeared in news.groups,talk.bizarre,sci.math.] In article <5643@chinet.UUCP>, rissa@chinet (Patricia O Tuama) writes: >John Woods [et al have] pointed out that most cross-posting is done by >people who never read t.b but who want to make some sort of point >or spin a certain discussion out of the newsgroup from which it >originated. I did cross-post into t.b. Guilty! I did not want to make a point; I wanted to get a discussion out of s.m. However, most of the com- plaints have been about a gratuitous t.b inclusion, with no follow- up control, by people who have zilch conception of t.b. I had originally cross-posted to alt.flame, and decided against it. I figured bizarrhoids could make hay with my name, but I guess the days of "I wish I were a Gene Smith Rosen Wiener" are long gone. I suppose I figured wrong. >Now I liked this article that weemba wrote and I'm glad he posted >it to talk.bizarre. Thank you and you're welcome. In contrast, I do not appreciate this particular cross-posting of yours into s.m: that group could care less for a metadiscussion about t.b and cross-posting. (My own article was borderline at best--but it was at least following the context of a pre- vious s.m discussion, in classic net.tradition.) > But the next time certain people go into hys- >terics about cross-posting, I suggest that they look back at this >all too frequent example of someone cross-posting TO talk.bizarre >and not FROM it. Now wait a moment. How can my one posting be "all too frequent"? I are confused. > And I'm sure we can find many others. I suspect our articles together support John's contention: I do look at t.b occasionally, but I don't think you look at s.m. In particular, I strongly favor software restrictions that require a user subscribe to a newsgroup in order to post into it. In particular, if your article is just so *important* that the readers of alt.pinheads have *got* to see it, then you the poster should be will- ing to go find out what alt.pinheads is really about. And if you're not willing, it just *couldn't* have been that important. I would be more than happy to see more obnoxious rules made for articles --or perhaps just followups--posted to say 3 or more newsgroups. ucbvax!garnet!weemba Matthew P Wiener/Brahms Gang/Berkeley CA 94720
gf@dasys1.UUCP (G Fitch) (05/31/88)
In article <5643@chinet.UUCP> rissa@chinet.UUCP (Patricia O Tuama) writes: }There has been a lot of discussion here lately about crossposting }between other newsgroups and talk.bizarre with the result that }t.b always gets flamed for excessive cross-posts. .... } .... [T]he next time certain people go into hys- }terics about cross-posting, I suggest that they look back at this }all too frequent example of someone cross-posting TO talk.bizarre }and not FROM it. And I'm sure we can find many others. I welcome crossposts "into" talk.bizarre. We had a lot of fun with the lawn darts, and I'm sure the regular readers of misc.consumers found a whole new outlook on life. The crossposts almost always come from outside, because a true talk.bizarre reader begins to see everything as bizarre, and forgets that there _are_ other newsgroups -- I mean, newsfroups. Although you're right in saying that outsiders should get off our case about volume and cross-postings, since it's really _their_ fault, I'm afraid we're always going to be the victims of bigotry and prejudice, as the great minds and geniuses have always been. -- G Fitch {uunet}!mstan\ The Big Electric Cat {ihnp4,harvard,philabs}!cmcl2!cucard!dasys1!gf New York City, NY, USA (212) 879-9031 {sun}!hoptoad/
jwm@stdc.jhuapl.edu (Jim Meritt) (06/07/88)
In article <10260@agate.BERKELEY.EDU> weemba@garnet.berkeley.edu (Obnoxious Math Grad Student) writes: }I did cross-post into t.b. Guilty! I did not want to make a point; }I wanted to get a discussion out of s.m. However, most of the com- }plaints have been about a gratuitous t.b inclusion, with no follow- }up control, by people who have zilch conception of t.b. And when I wanted views on a topic other than one narrow specific group I cross-posted it at the locations that might know the information. And for that YOU flamed! For shame. }I had originally cross-posted to alt.flame, and decided against it. Sounds like a good idea..... }Thank you and you're welcome. In contrast, I do not appreciate this }particular cross-posting of yours into s.m: that group could care less }for a metadiscussion about t.b and cross-posting. (My own article was }borderline at best--but it was at least following the context of a pre- }vious s.m discussion, in classic net.tradition.) For those that care less, ignore. Everyone else should edit their newsgroups line for follow-ups. No problem. }> But the next time certain people go into hys- }>terics about cross-posting, I suggest that they look back at this }>all too frequent example of someone cross-posting TO talk.bizarre }>and not FROM it. } }Now wait a moment. How can my one posting be "all too frequent"? }I are confused. Me, too. One posting, and omgs went off line on me. You seem to be lacking consistency. Bad deal for a mathman..... }I do look }at t.b occasionally, but I don't think you look at s.m. In particular, }I strongly favor software restrictions that require a user subscribe }to a newsgroup in order to post into it. that sounds reasonable. Unless someone is going to read it, why post? } }I would be more than happy to see more obnoxious rules made for articles }--or perhaps just followups--posted to say 3 or more newsgroups. Some serious restrictions on follow-ups does seem justified. Like maybe only to the source group. Someone is going to post to a group, they should subscribe to it to see follow-ups! Disclaimer: Individuals have opinions, organizations have policy. Therefore, these opinions are mine and not any organizations! Q.E.D. jwm@aplvax.jhuapl.edu 128.244.65.5 (James W. Meritt)
weemba@garnet.berkeley.edu (Obnoxious Math Grad Student) (06/11/88)
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