nick@aimed.UUCP (Nick Pemberton) (10/17/88)
I have been interested for some time in bringing non-unix machines, specifically PICK-based machines onto the net. I thought of this last spring, and after 6 months worth of spare time, I have a working version of uucp/uucico on PICK, and a fairly primitive set of software to go with it (news and email). I am currently using these on a test basis off of our unix box, and things are going fairly smoothly at the moment. The PICK machines are accepting a full feed reasonably well. What I am interested in hearing from folks on the net is their thoughts on bringing other Operating Systems on board. If this works as well as it is capable of, there would be a large number of potential new sites on the net (and therefore, no doubt) an increased traffic load. There would also be a lot of new perspectives floating about, since PICK and UNIX are *so* different. I haven't given any thought yet as to how one would actually go about spreading PICK based sites, and would also welcome any views on this. Looking forward to replies.... Nick Pemberton ....utzoo!lsuc!aimed!nick
spaf@cs.purdue.edu (Gene Spafford) (10/21/88)
Lots of non-Unix machines are already on the net. News 2.11 was
distributed with support for VMS. Thanks to the wonders of NNTP,
machines running TOPS-20, VM, MS-DOS, Genera-7 and a few others
are all on the net. Adding a few PICK-based machines won't
make much difference.
...EXCEPT, you better be sure that your uucp implementation on
the PICK machines can be shown not to include any UNIX source
code nor be derived from UNIX source code. Otherwise, you may
find some AT&T lawyers in ill-humor visiting you and talking
about trade secret violations. Lawyers tend not have a very
good sense of humor about these kinds of things....
--
Gene Spafford
NSF/Purdue/U of Florida Software Engineering Research Center,
Dept. of Computer Sciences, Purdue University, W. Lafayette IN 47907-2004
Internet: spaf@cs.purdue.edu uucp: ...!{decwrl,gatech,ucbvax}!purdue!spafbobcoe@XAIT.Xerox.COM (Robert K. Coe) (10/21/88)
In article <29@aimed.UUCP> nick@aimed.UUCP (Nick Pemberton) writes: }I have been interested for some time in bringing non-unix machines, }specifically PICK-based machines onto the net... } }What I am interested in hearing from folks on the net is their thoughts on }bringing other Operating Systems on board. If this works as well as it }is capable of, there would be a large number of potential new sites on the }net (and therefore, no doubt) an increased traffic load. There would also }be a lot of new perspectives floating about, since PICK and UNIX are *so* }different. This may come as a shock to you, but the perspectives reflected in *my* postings are my own, and not those of my operating system. :^) -- => Robert K. Coe |Xerox | bobcoe@XAIT.Xerox.COM <= => Xerox Corporation |Advanced | [...!]{garp,harvard,think}!xait!bobcoe <= => 4 Cambridge Center |Information| 617-492-8860, ext 428 <= => Cambridge, MA 02142 |Technology | "Everyone should adopt a homeless dog." <=
jbuck@epimass.EPI.COM (Joe Buck) (10/22/88)
In article <5179@medusa.cs.purdue.edu> spaf@cs.purdue.edu (Gene Spafford) writes: >Lots of non-Unix machines are already on the net. News 2.11 was >distributed with support for VMS. Correction: with support for Eunice, Wollongong's Unix-on-top-of-VMS. Yes, I'm to blame for that... >...EXCEPT, you better be sure that your uucp implementation on >the PICK machines can be shown not to include any UNIX source >code nor be derived from UNIX source code. Several people have already done this work (UUPC and GNUUCP), produced non-AT&T versions of uucp done from protocol documents that have been published, plus a little research into what Unix systems actually emit. -- - Joe Buck, card-carrying ACLU liberal jbuck@epimass.epi.com, or uunet!epimass.epi.com!jbuck, or jbuck%epimass.epi.com@uunet.uu.net for old Arpa sites
wyle@solaris.UUCP (Mitchell Wyle) (10/26/88)
In article <5179@medusa.cs.purdue.edu> spaf@cs.purdue.edu (Gene Spafford) says: >...EXCEPT, you better be sure that your uucp implementation on >the PICK machines can be shown not to include any UNIX source >code nor be derived from UNIX source code. Otherwise, you may >find some AT&T lawyers in ill-humor visiting you and talking Pick (Richard Pick's operating system) barely supports a weird assembler, and is programmed mostly in Data-Basic, which is a mish-mash of Basic, Pascal, and PL/1 with database extensions. It supports a kind of shell-script language variously called "TCL," "English," or "Proc," depending on your implementation and vendor. I personally (having coded in the Pick world for 10 years) would love to have them join our ranks. There is no C language, so I think we can assume no code was stolen. (Ultimate might have released a C compiler since I left the Pick universe, so I may be wrong here.) Pick is a kind of 4GL database environment similar to Dbase, but much much more powerful. It beats Unix (and most database products) hands down for pure database stuff, but it's a bit weak for general purpose computing. Bring 'em aboard! Call up PUMA (Pick User's society) and get the software circulated! I'd love to send e-mail to my old buddies and customers! -- -Mitchell F. Wyle wyle@ethz.uucp Institut fuer Informatik wyle%ifi.ethz.ch@relay.cs.net ETH Zentrum 8092 Zuerich, Switzerland +41 1 256-5237
det@hawkmoon.MN.ORG (Derek E. Terveer) (10/27/88)
In article <29@aimed.UUCP>, nick@aimed.UUCP (Nick Pemberton) writes: > What I am interested in hearing from folks on the net is their thoughts on > bringing other Operating Systems on board. If this works as well as it > is capable of, there would be a large number of potential new sites on the > net (and therefore, no doubt) an increased traffic load. There would also > be a lot of new perspectives floating about, since PICK and UNIX are *so* > different. Well, we already have a number of UUPC sites -- which are running messy-DOS. -- Derek Terveer det@hawkmoon.MN.ORG w(612)681-6986 h(612)688-0667 "A proper king is crowned" -- Thomas B. Costain
friedl@vsi.COM (Stephen J. Friedl) (10/28/88)
In article <487@solaris.UUCP>, wyle@solaris.UUCP (Mitchell Wyle) writes: > Pick (Richard Pick's operating system) barely supports a weird He is also known as `Dick Pick', and from what I've read, it fits :-) > There is no C language, so I think we can assume no code was stolen. I believe Pick is working on an (oh no, not that word again) Open Architecture system that is supposed to include things like C compilers -- from what little I read it's supposed to be a big deal. > Bring 'em aboard! Call up PUMA (Pick User's society) and get the > software circulated! I'd love to send e-mail to my old buddies and > customers! Those wishing to contact Pick directly may do so at: Pick Systems 1691 Browning Irvine, CA 92714 USA +1 714 261 7425 Steve -- Steve Friedl V-Systems, Inc. +1 714 545 6442 3B2-kind-of-guy friedl@vsi.com {backbones}!vsi.com!friedl attmail!vsi!friedl ----Nancy Reagan on 120MB SCSI cartridge tape: "Just say *now*"----
ocker@lan.informatik.tu-muenchen.dbp.de (Wolfgang Ocker) (10/29/88)
In article <454@hawkmoon.MN.ORG> det@hawkmoon.MN.ORG (Derek E. Terveer) writes: >In article <29@aimed.UUCP>, nick@aimed.UUCP (Nick Pemberton) writes: >> What I am interested in hearing from folks on the net is their thoughts on >> bringing other Operating Systems on board. If this works as well as it >Well, we already have a number of UUPC sites -- which are running messy-DOS. UUCP is also available for OS-9/68000. In Germany, many OSK sites have joined the net. At the moment, we are running NOTES instead of B-News. When C-News will be available, we will try to port it to OSK. /// Wolfgang Ocker -- | Wolfgang Ocker | ocker@lan.informatik.tu-muenchen.dbp.de | | Lochhauserstr. 35a | pyramid!tmpmbx!recco!weo (home) | | D-8039 Puchheim | Technische Universitaet Muenchen | | Voice: +49 89 80 77 02 | Huh, What? Where am I? |
cks@ziebmef.uucp (Chris Siebenmann) (11/02/88)
In article <454@hawkmoon.MN.ORG> det@hawkmoon.MN.ORG (Derek E. Terveer) writes: ... >Well, we already have a number of UUPC sites -- which are running messy-DOS. And AmigaDOS, and whatever one calls the Mac OS. UUPC runs on machines other than IBM PClones, and personal computers run other uucp-clones besides UUPC. -- "The hell I will!" WHAK! "Surpise, kid -- they retract! Try that again and I'll kick you back. With my claws." Chris Siebenmann uunet!utgpu!{ontmoh!moore,ncrcan}!ziebmef!cks cks@ziebmef.UUCP or .....!utgpu!{,ontmoh!,ncrcan!brambo!}cks