spaf@cs.purdue.EDU (Gene Spafford) (05/15/89)
This posting contains a listing of differences between the version of the article (referenced in the "Subject:" line) just posted to the news.announce.newusers group, and the version posted a few weeks ago. It is intended to enable experienced users to track changes to the regularly posted Usenet documents. *** old/howto.n Sun May 8 23:36:20 1988 --- src/howto.n Sun May 14 22:46:33 1989 *************** *** 1,4 Newsgroups: news.announce.newusers,news.groups,news.admin ! Expires: 40days ! Approved: spaf@purdue.EDU --- 1,4 ----- Newsgroups: news.announce.newusers,news.groups,news.admin ! Expires: 90days ! Approved: spaf@cs.purdue.EDU *************** *** 4,7 ! Original-from: spaf@cs.purdue.edu (Gene Spafford) ! [Most recent change: 14 April 1988 by spaf@cs.purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)] --- 4,6 ----- ! Original-from: woods@ncar.ucar.edu (Greg Woods)] *************** *** 8,10 ! How to Establish a New Newsgroup --- 7,9 ----- ! GUIDELINES FOR USENET GROUP CREATION *************** *** 10,17 ! One question that frequently appears on the Usenet has to do with how ! newsgroups are created. Usually this occurs when someone believes they ! have identified a topic that deserves a new group and they are not ! aware of the conventions surrounding newsgroup establishment. The ! purpose of this article is to help provide some background and ! guidelines for users interested in establishing new groups. --- 9,11 ----- ! REQUIREMENTS FOR GROUP CREATION: *************** *** 17,29 ! Note that these guidelines are for new groups in the "regular" Usenet ! -- conventions for new groups in the alternate hierarchies (such as ! "alt" and "bionet") may be different and you should consult readers and ! admins in those groups for information specific to those groups. Also ! note that these are general *guidelines* -- there is no guarantee that ! any site will ever issue or honor a "newgroup" request for any group, ! even if all these guidelines are followed. In particular, problems of ! legality, volume and taste may keep some groups from being created in ! the regular newsgroup hierarchy at many (or most) sites, no matter what ! the perceived support; in general, such groups can be created in the ! alternate distributions without any such trouble. --- 11,30 ----- ! These are guidelines that have been generally agreed upon across ! USENET as appropriate for following in the creating of new newsgroups in ! the "standard" USENET newsgroup heirarchy. They are NOT intended as ! guidelines for setting USENET policy other than group creations, and they ! are not intended to apply to "alternate" or local news heirarchies. The ! part of the namespace affected is comp, news, sci, misc, soc, talk, rec, ! which are the most widely-distributed areas of the USENET heirarchy. ! Any group creation request which follows these guidelines to a ! successful result should be honored, and any request which fails to ! follow these procedures or to obtain a successful result from doing so ! should be dropped, except under extraordinary circumstances. The ! reason these are called guidelines and not absolute rules is that it is ! not possible to predict in advance what "extraordinary circumstances" ! are or how they might arise. ! It should be pointed out here that, as always, the decision whether or not ! to create a newsgroup on a given machine rests with the administrator of that ! machine. These guidelines are intended merely as an aid in making those ! decisions. *************** *** 29,43 - Background - ---------- - The Usenet is, for the most part, a loosely connected system governed - by consensus and momentum. There is no "central authority" that - actually runs the the network. In fact, it is not even possible to - precisely define what groups and sites consititute the network -- the - best we can do is provide a working definition: "The Usenet consists of - sites exchanging articles in the news.* groups." This informal - definition describes a collection of thousands of machines in over a - dozen countries on four continents; total potential readership is in - the hundreds of thousands. Total volume of all the newsgroups - regularly surpasses two megabytes of information flow per day in almost - three hundred newsgroups. --- 30,31 ----- *************** *** 43,53 ! A few years ago, the network began to exhibit overload problems. These ! overload problems include human overload as well as machine. Not only ! are some machines straining to handle the ever-increasing communication ! and storage needs of the network, but many (or most!) of the readers of ! the network find themselves unable to organize and read the incredible ! amounts of information available to them. Increasingly sophisticated ! software and organization have helped both problems, but overload of ! both kinds continues to be a problem. The creation of new newsgroups ! can sometimes help the problem and but can also sometimes make it worse. --- 31,33 ----- ! The Discussion *************** *** 53,71 ! To help promote the constructive creation of new newsgroups, the ! administrators of the Usenet backbone machines have formalized a set of ! guidelines for the creation of new newsgroups. These are based on ! historical precedent and perceived limitations. ! (The "members of the backbone" are a de-facto advisory committee ! for the Usenet, consisting of current and past administrators of ! machines whose connectivity and load are seen as critical to the ! functioning of the Usenet. This group includes authors of the ! original A and B news software and users of the Usenet since its ! inception. It includes programmers, researchers, professors, ! consultants and end-users; their collective experience with Unix ! and the Usenet can be measured in the hundreds of years.) ! No one is forced to adhere to these guidelines, but action on Usenet ! newsgroup creation or deletion that does not follow these guidelines ! may be ignored by the backbone sites and the majority of Usenet sites ! that usually follow the examples set by the backbone. It is thus in ! the best interests of the proposed newsgroup to follow the guidelines. --- 33,38 ----- ! 1) A call for discussion on creation of a new newsgroup should be posted ! to news.groups, and also to any other groups or mailing lists at all ! related to the proposed topic if desired. The Followup-to: header should be ! set so that the actual discussion takes place only in news.groups *************** *** 71,72 --- 38,41 ----- + 2) The discussion period should last for at least two weeks (14 days), + and no more than 30 days. *************** *** 72,80 ! Guidelines ! ---------- ! The following guidelines assume you have determined that you want a ! newsgroup to be created. You may want this newsgroup to address a ! topic of particular interest, or it might be to help subdivide an ! existing newsgroup. Once you have decided you want a new newsgroup, ! you should do the following: --- 41,50 ----- ! 3) The name and charter of the proposed group and whether it will be moderated ! or unmoderated (and if the former, who the moderator will be) should be ! determined during the discussion period. If there is no general consensus ! on these points among the proponents of a new group at the end of 30 days ! of discussion, the discussion should be taken offline (into mail instead of ! news.groups) and the proponents should iron out the details among themselves. ! Once that is done, a new, more specific proposal may be made, going back ! to step 1) above. *************** *** 80,89 ! 1) Determine if a new newsgroup is actually needed. Look carefully ! through the lists of active newsgroups and mailing lists to be sure ! there is currently no existing forum for your topic. If there is such ! a group or mailing list, try using it before attempting to create a new ! group -- it might be just what you want. Also determine if there are ! potential objections to the creation of the group based on common sense, ! good taste, or possible legal difficulties -- such groups are best ! left as mailing lists or semi-private hierarchies. --- 50,52 ----- ! The Vote *************** *** 89,95 ! 2) Determine an appropriate name for your proposed newsgroup -- a name ! should be informative, reasonably short, and in an appropriate ! top-level hierarchy. The name should directly describe the purpose and ! content of the proposed group, to aid new readers in selecting it. ! Also determine if you want the newsgroup to be moderated or not. --- 52,69 ----- ! 1) AFTER the discussion period, if it has been determined that a new group is ! really desired, a name and charter are agreed upon, and it has been ! determined whether the group will be moderated and if so who will ! moderate it, a call for votes may be posted to news.groups and any ! other groups or mailing lists that the original call for discussion ! might have been posted to. There should be minimal delay between the ! end of the discussion period and the issuing of a call for votes. ! The call for votes should include clear instructions for how to cast ! a vote. It must be as clearly explained and as easy to do to cast a ! vote for creation as against it, and vice versa. It is explicitly ! permitted to set up two separate addresses to mail yes and no votes ! to provided that they are on the same machine, to set up an address ! different than that the article was posted from to mail votes to, or ! to just accept replies to the call for votes article, as long as it ! is clearly and explicitly stated in the call for votes article how ! to cast a vote. *************** *** 95,103 ! 3) Post an article to the newsgroup "news.groups" describing your ! proposed new group. Be sure to describe why you think the group is ! needed and/or interesting, and what you think it should be named. Ask ! for comments to be posted and discussed. Be sure to cross-post your ! article to any newsgroups where there might be interest, but set the ! "Followup-to" header so that responses only go to the "news.groups" ! group. --- 69,74 ----- ! 2) The voting period should last for at least 30 days, no matter what the ! preliminary results of the vote are. The exact date that the voting period ! will end should be stated in the call for votes. Only votes that arrive ! on the vote-taker's machine prior to this date may be counted. *************** *** 103,110 ! 4) Consider carefully all comments and objections, whether posted or ! mailed. Answer objections and questions in a timely fashion. Change ! the name or nature of the group, if needed, based on the comments of ! others. Remember that the success of the group is based on the support ! and participation of the other people on the network, so listen to ! their advice and concerns. --- 74,81 ----- ! 3) A couple of repeats of the call for votes may be posted during the vote, ! provided that they contain similar clear, unbiased instructions for ! casting a vote as the original, and provided that it is really a repeat ! of the call for votes on the SAME proposal (see #5 below). Partial vote ! results should NOT be included; only a statement of the specific new ! group proposal, that a vote is in progress on it, and how to cast a vote. *************** *** 110,129 ! 5) Collect MAILED votes on the issue of the new newsgroup. The ! threshold currently set as necessary to suggest creating a new group is ! 100 more "yes" votes than "no" votes in a 30 day period. ! a) If you get at least 100 more "yes" votes than "no" votes, ! post an article to the news.groups newsgroup including the ! totals and the list of account names of people voting. ! b) If you fail to get at least 100 more "yes" votes than "no" ! votes, consider starting a mailing list for your topic ! instead of a new group, or else think about starting the ! group as an "alt" group. If a group cannot get the support ! of at least 100 people in one month's time, it does not ! belong on the Usenet until such time as it gains sufficient ! support. ! c) If you are trying to get an exisiting mailing list upgraded ! to a newsgroup, consider the current subscriber list as a ! set of "yes" votes of equal number, but only if they have ! already agreed that they want the list turned into a ! newsgroup. --- 81,86 ----- ! 4) ONLY votes MAILED to the vote-taker will count. Votes posted to the net ! for any reason (including inability to get mail to the vote-taker) and ! proxy votes (such as having a mailing list maintainer claim a vote for ! each member of the list) may not be counted. *************** *** 129,142 ! 6) Send mail to "backbone@rutgers.edu" and ask that the group be ! created. You can issue the control message yourself, but many sites ! will ignore the group unless the control message originates from one of ! the known backbone admins (usually one of: news or spaf@cs.purdue.edu, ! mark@stargate.com, rick@uunet.uu.net, woods@ncar.ucar.edu or ! fair@ucbarpa.berkeley.edu). If the group is moderated, be sure to ! include information about the moderator and submission addresses in ! your mail message so that the appropriate postings and databases can be ! updated. The group will likely be created at this time, but if the ! members of the backbone list perceive that there are serious unanswered ! questions about the group's creation, it may be postponed until those ! questions are resolved. --- 86,93 ----- ! 5) Votes may not be transferred to other, similar proposals. A vote shall ! count only for the EXACT proposal that it is a response to. In particular, ! a vote for or against a newsgroup under one name shall NOT be counted as ! a vote for or against a newsgroup with a different name or charter, ! a different moderated/unmoderated status or (if moderated) a different ! moderator. *************** *** 142,143 --- 93,100 ----- + 6) Votes MUST be explicit; they should be of the form "I vote for the + group foo.bar as proposed" or "I vote against the group foo.bar + as proposed". The wording doesn't have to be exact, it just needs to + be unambiguous. In particular, statements of the form "I would vote + for this group if..." should be considered comments only and not + counted as votes. *************** *** 143,149 ! Summary ! ------- ! That's pretty much all you do to create a new newsgroup. You need to ! establish that there is sufficient support to create the group, and that ! there are no serious objections to its creation. --- 100,102 ----- ! The Result *************** *** 149,151 ! If you'd like more information about how to start a mailing list, send ! mail to "backbone-request@rutgers.edu". --- 102,115 ----- ! 1) At the completion of the 30 day voting period, the vote taker must post ! the vote tally and the E-mail addresses and (if available) names of the ! votes received to news.groups and any other groups or mailing lists to ! which the original call for votes was posted. ! ! 2) AFTER the vote result is posted, there will be a 5 day waiting period ! during which the net will have a chance to correct any errors in ! the voter list or the voting procedure. ! ! 3) AFTER the waiting period, and if there were no serious objections that might ! invalidate the vote, and if 100 more YES/create votes are received ! than NO/don't create, a newgroup control message may be sent out. ! If the 100 vote margin is not met, the group should not be created. -- Gene Spafford NSF/Purdue/U of Florida Software Engineering Research Center, Dept. of Computer Sciences, Purdue University, W. Lafayette IN 47907-2004 Internet: spaf@cs.purdue.edu uucp: ...!{decwrl,gatech,ucbvax}!purdue!spaf
spaf@cs.purdue.EDU (Gene Spafford) (06/20/89)
This posting contains a listing of differences between the version of the article (referenced in the "Subject:" line) just posted to the news.announce.newusers group, and the version posted a few weeks ago. It is intended to enable experienced users to track changes to the regularly posted Usenet documents. *** old/howto.n Sun May 14 23:05:33 1989 --- src/howto.n Sat May 20 16:36:32 1989 *************** *** 116 If the 100 vote margin is not met, the group should not be created. --- 116,125 ----- If the 100 vote margin is not met, the group should not be created. + The newgroup message may be sent by the vote-taker (if able to do so) + or by the system administrator on the vote-taker's machine. If this + option is not available, then the vote-taker may send mail to + "newgroup@ncar.ucar.edu" saying that a successful vote has been run + and requesting that a newgroup message be sent. DO NOT send the vote + results; we can look those up in news.groups if we haven't seen them + there already. In any case, please send mail to Gene Spafford + (spaf@purdue.edu) informing him of a successful vote, so he can add the + new group to the official list of groups which he maintains. -- Gene Spafford NSF/Purdue/U of Florida Software Engineering Research Center, Dept. of Computer Sciences, Purdue University, W. Lafayette IN 47907-2004 Internet: spaf@cs.purdue.edu uucp: ...!{decwrl,gatech,ucbvax}!purdue!spaf
spaf@cs.purdue.EDU (Gene Spafford) (07/22/89)
This posting contains a listing of differences between the version of the article (referenced in the "Subject:" line) just posted to the news.announce.newusers group, and the version posted a few weeks ago. It is intended to enable experienced users to track changes to the regularly posted Usenet documents. *** /tmp/fo16086 Fri Jul 21 23:12:21 1989 --- /tmp/fo26086 Fri Jul 21 23:12:22 1989 *************** *** 125 new group to the official list of groups which he maintains. --- 125,126 ----- new group to the official list of groups which he maintains. + -- Gene Spafford NSF/Purdue/U of Florida Software Engineering Research Center, Dept. of Computer Sciences, Purdue University, W. Lafayette IN 47907-2004 Internet: spaf@cs.purdue.edu uucp: ...!{decwrl,gatech,ucbvax}!purdue!spaf
spaf@cs.purdue.EDU (Gene Spafford) (09/04/89)
This posting contains a listing of differences between the version of the article (referenced in the "Subject:" line) just posted to the news.announce.newusers group, and the version posted a few weeks ago. It is intended to enable experienced users to track changes to the regularly posted Usenet documents. *** /tmp/fo121046 Sun Sep 3 17:24:27 1989 --- /tmp/fo221046 Sun Sep 3 17:24:28 1989 *************** *** 5,7 Original-from: woods@ncar.ucar.edu (Greg Woods) ! [Most recent change: 14 May 1989 by Greg Woods] --- 5,7 ----- Original-from: woods@ncar.ucar.edu (Greg Woods) ! [Most recent change: 3 Sep 1989 by woods@ncar.ucar.edu (Greg Woods)] *************** *** 35,39 1) A call for discussion on creation of a new newsgroup should be posted ! to news.groups, and also to any other groups or mailing lists at all ! related to the proposed topic if desired. The Followup-to: header should be ! set so that the actual discussion takes place only in news.groups --- 35,42 ----- 1) A call for discussion on creation of a new newsgroup should be posted ! to news.announce.newgroups, and also to any other groups or mailing lists ! at all related to the proposed topic if desired. This group is moderated, ! and The Followup-to: header will be set so that the actual discussion takes ! place only in news.groups. Users on sites which have difficulty posting ! to moderated groups may mail submissions intended for news.announce.newgroups ! to "announce-newgroups@ncar.ucar.edu". *************** *** 43,46 3) The name and charter of the proposed group and whether it will be moderated ! or unmoderated (and if the former, who the moderator will be) should be ! determined during the discussion period. If there is no general consensus on these points among the proponents of a new group at the end of 30 days --- 46,49 ----- 3) The name and charter of the proposed group and whether it will be moderated ! or unmoderated (and if the former, who the moderator(s) will be) should be ! determined during the discussion period. If there is no general agreement on these points among the proponents of a new group at the end of 30 days *************** *** 56,59 determined whether the group will be moderated and if so who will ! moderate it, a call for votes may be posted to news.groups and any ! other groups or mailing lists that the original call for discussion might have been posted to. There should be minimal delay between the --- 59,62 ----- determined whether the group will be moderated and if so who will ! moderate it, a call for votes may be posted to news.announce.newgroups and ! any other groups or mailing lists that the original call for discussion might have been posted to. There should be minimal delay between the *************** *** 81,82 group proposal, that a vote is in progress on it, and how to cast a vote. --- 84,89 ----- group proposal, that a vote is in progress on it, and how to cast a vote. + It is permitted to post a "mass acknowledgement" in which all the names + of those from whom votes have been received are posted, as long as no + indication is made of which way anybody voted until the voting period + is officially over. *************** *** 92,94 a different moderated/unmoderated status or (if moderated) a different ! moderator. --- 99,101 ----- a different moderated/unmoderated status or (if moderated) a different ! moderator or set of moderators. *************** *** 105,108 the vote tally and the E-mail addresses and (if available) names of the ! votes received to news.groups and any other groups or mailing lists to ! which the original call for votes was posted. --- 112,115 ----- the vote tally and the E-mail addresses and (if available) names of the ! votes received to news.announce.newgroups and any other groups or mailing ! lists to which the original call for votes was posted. *************** *** 118,120 or by the system administrator on the vote-taker's machine. If this ! option is not available, then the vote-taker may send mail to "newgroup@ncar.ucar.edu" saying that a successful vote has been run --- 125,127 ----- or by the system administrator on the vote-taker's machine. If this ! option is not available, then the vote-taker should send mail to "newgroup@ncar.ucar.edu" saying that a successful vote has been run *************** *** 121,124 and requesting that a newgroup message be sent. DO NOT send the vote ! results; we can look those up in news.groups if we haven't seen them ! there already. In any case, please send mail to Gene Spafford (spaf@purdue.edu) informing him of a successful vote, so he can add the --- 128,131 ----- and requesting that a newgroup message be sent. DO NOT send the vote ! results; we can look those up in news.announce.newgroups if we haven't seen ! them there already. In any case, please send mail to Gene Spafford (spaf@purdue.edu) informing him of a successful vote, so he can add the -- Gene Spafford NSF/Purdue/U of Florida Software Engineering Research Center, Dept. of Computer Sciences, Purdue University, W. Lafayette IN 47907-2004 Internet: spaf@cs.purdue.edu uucp: ...!{decwrl,gatech,ucbvax}!purdue!spaf
spaf@cs.purdue.EDU (Gene Spafford) (10/17/89)
This posting contains a listing of differences between the version of the article (referenced in the "Subject:" line) just posted to the news.announce.newusers group, and the version posted a few weeks ago. It is intended to enable experienced users to track changes to the regularly posted Usenet documents. *** /tmp/fo123007 Tue Oct 17 00:32:13 1989 --- /tmp/fo223007 Tue Oct 17 00:32:14 1989 *************** *** 5,7 Original-from: woods@ncar.ucar.edu (Greg Woods) ! [Most recent change: 3 Sep 1989 by woods@ncar.ucar.edu (Greg Woods)] --- 5,7 ----- Original-from: woods@ncar.ucar.edu (Greg Woods) ! [Most recent change: 10 Oct 1989 by spaf@cs.purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)] *************** *** 73,75 ! 2) The voting period should last for at least 30 days, no matter what the preliminary results of the vote are. The exact date that the voting period --- 73,75 ----- ! 2) The voting period should last for at least 21 days, no matter what the preliminary results of the vote are. The exact date that the voting period -- Gene Spafford NSF/Purdue/U of Florida Software Engineering Research Center, Dept. of Computer Sciences, Purdue University, W. Lafayette IN 47907-2004 Internet: spaf@cs.purdue.edu uucp: ...!{decwrl,gatech,ucbvax}!purdue!spaf