ado@elsie.UUCP (Arthur David Olson) (10/08/89)
Here are ranks, citation counts, Message-IDs, and (if available) subjects and authors of the articles most frequently cited by articles in the comp.all hierarchy in the last two weeks. Rank Count ID Subject From 1 8 <EHRLICH.89Sep15113249@shire.cs.psu.edu> 2 8 <592@crdos1.crd.ge.COM> Re: How does man know? davidsen@crdos1.crd.ge.COM (Wm E Davidsen Jr) 3 8 <319@massey.ac.nz> How does man know? ARaman@massey.ac.nz (A.V. Raman) 4 8 <1702@naucse.UUCP> 5 8 <13730@well.UUCP> 6 8 <11170@smoke.BRL.MIL> Re: How does man know? gwyn@smoke.BRL.MIL (Doug Gwyn) 7 6 <27335@shemp.CS.UCLA.EDU> 8 5 <978@mtxinu.UUCP> 9 5 <868@cirrusl.UUCP> 10 5 <832@dms.UUCP> 11 5 <5508@zyx.ZYX.SE> Handling of far-east languages. arndt@ZYX.SE (Arndt Jonasson) 12 5 <22@minya.UUCP> Two identical filenames in one directory! jc@minya.UUCP (John Chambers) 13 5 <21962@cup.portal.com> 14 5 <1989Sep12.031453.22947@wolves.uucp> 15 5 <11182@smoke.BRL.MIL> Re: How does man know? gwyn@smoke.BRL.MIL (Doug Gwyn) 16 4 <Sep.30.21.29.38.1989.9534@elbereth.rutgers.edu> 17 4 <IZ9Hkde00WB58=V2pf@andrew.cmu.edu> 18 4 <9676@venera.isi.edu> 19 4 <9464@attctc.Dallas.TX.US> Re: Time to standardize "true" and "false" wjf@attctc.Dallas.TX.US (Jesse Furqueron) 20 4 <869@gamera.cs.utexas.edu> Re: logic programs -> procedural lang? bradley@cs.utexas.edu (Bradley L. Richards) 21 4 <688@UALTAVM.BITNET> 22 4 <5557@tank.uchicago.edu> Marketing wizardry & handling of far-east languages. goer@sophist.uucp (Richard Goerwitz) 23 4 <5296@eos.UUCP> Re: Information Systems is an Engineering Discipline eugene@eos.UUCP (Eugene Miya) 24 4 <34399@regenmeister.uucp> Re: Information Systems is an Engineering Discipline chrisp@regenmeister.uucp (Chris Prael) 25 4 <291@voa3.UUCP> -- To understand Sun's corporate culture look at the vi source code. Arthur David Olson ado@alw.nih.gov ADO is a trademark of Ampex.
ado@elsie.UUCP (Arthur David Olson) (10/17/89)
Here are ranks, citation counts, Message-IDs, and (if available) subjects, authors, and newsgroups of the articles most frequently cited by articles in the comp.all hierarchy in the last two weeks. Rank Count ID 1 10 <2432@hub.UUCP> Subject: This one bit me today From: dougp@voodoo.ucsb.edu Newgroups: comp.lang.c 2 6 <1024@faatcrl.UUCP> 3 5 <710@lakart.UUCP> Subject: Re: New UUCP Protocol (was: Re: Zmodem added to UUCP) From: dg@lakart.UUCP (David Goodenough) Newgroups: comp.mail.uucp 4 5 <688.252e37c2@simpact.com> Subject: Re: New UUCP Protocol (was: Re: Zmodem added to UUCP) From: jeh@simpact.com Newgroups: comp.mail.uucp 5 5 <5228@cbnewsm.ATT.COM> 6 5 <3492@ast.cs.vu.nl> Subject: Important new program: cleanit.c From: ast@cs.vu.nl (Andy Tanenbaum) Newgroups: comp.os.minix 7 5 <251FCB3F.12366@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca> 8 5 <12570028@hpclwjm.HP.COM> Subject: Re: Out-of-bounds pointers From: walter@hpclwjm.HP.COM (Walter Murray) Newgroups: comp.std.c 9 5 <1050@m3.mfci.UUCP> 10 5 <1029@faatcrl.UUCP> Subject: Re: New UUCP Protocol (was: Re: Zmodem added to UUCP) From: jimb@faatcrl.UUCP (Jim Burwell) Newgroups: comp.mail.uucp 11 5 <1009@mtxinu.UUCP> Subject: Out-of-bounds pointers From: ed@mtxinu.COM (Ed Gould) Newgroups: comp.std.c 12 4 <Sep.30.21.29.38.1989.9534@elbereth.rutgers.edu> 13 4 <IZ9Hkde00WB58=V2pf@andrew.cmu.edu> 14 4 <868@crdos1.crd.ge.COM> Subject: Re: Out-of-bounds pointers From: davidsen@crdos1.crd.ge.COM (Wm E Davidsen Jr) Newgroups: comp.std.c 15 4 <7710@microsoft.UUCP> 16 4 <725@thor.wright.EDU> Subject: Re: The final word on GOTO (Don't I wis From: bkottman@thor.wright.edu (Brett Kottmann) Newgroups: comp.lang.c 17 4 <6396@ficc.uu.net> Subject: Re: The final word on GOTO (Don't I wis From: peter@ficc.uu.net (Peter da Silva) Newgroups: comp.lang.c 18 4 <4657@ncar.ucar.edu> 19 4 <4341@sugar.hackercorp.com> Subject: Re: 1.4 Wish: Revamped sizing gadget From: peter@sugar.hackercorp.com (Peter da Silva) Newgroups: comp.sys.amiga.tech 20 4 <20226@usc.edu> 21 4 <1858@texsun.Central.Sun.COM> 22 4 <17085@rpp386.cactus.org> 23 4 <1306@oce-rd1.oce.nl> Subject: Monitor 6.5 From: fva@oce-rd1.oce.nl (Frans van Aken) Newgroups: comp.sys.hp 24 3 <steveg.89oct3190350@narnia.com.com> 25 3 <INFO-M2%89093000360807@UCF1VM> -- Arthur David Olson ado@alw.nih.gov ADO is a trademark of Ampex.
ado@elsie.UUCP (Arthur David Olson) (10/24/89)
Here are ranks, citation counts, Message-IDs, and (if available) subjects, authors, and newsgroups of the articles most frequently cited by articles in the comp.all hierarchy in the last two weeks. Rank Count ID 1 6 <35825@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> Subject: ATTACK OF KILLER MICROS From: brooks@maddog.llnl.gov Newgroups: comp.arch 2 5 <27415@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu> Subject: curious From: royle@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu (keenan royle) Newgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.rt 3 5 <17085@rpp386.cactus.org> 4 5 <1240@marlin.NOSC.MIL> Subject: A Unix worthy Compress/Uncompress for the PC From: jbjones@marlin.NOSC.MIL (John B. Jones) Newgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc 5 4 <475@idacrd.UUCP> 6 4 <4707@wpi.wpi.edu> Subject: Shareware - does it really work? From: spinner@wpi.wpi.edu (B. Wang) Newgroups: comp.sys.apple 7 4 <357@massey.ac.nz> Subject: Knowledge Representation, A thought experiment From: ARaman@massey.ac.nz (A.V. Raman) Newgroups: comp.ai,talk.philosophy.misc 8 4 <3492@ast.cs.vu.nl> 9 4 <3458@scolex.sco.COM> Subject: Super VGA Standard From: loranb@sco.COM (Loran Ball) Newgroups: comp.graphics,comp.sys.ibm.pc 10 4 <2394@uceng.UC.EDU> Subject: Re: Knowledge Representation, A thought experiment From: dmocsny@uceng.UC.EDU (daniel mocsny) Newgroups: comp.ai 11 4 <2376@munnari.oz.au> Subject: Re: Knowledge Representation, A thought experiment From: ok@cs.mu.oz.au (Richard O'Keefe) Newgroups: comp.ai 12 4 <1719@zen.co.uk> 13 3 <LARRY.89Oct17173045@focsys.UUCP> 14 3 <CMM.0.88.624863922.cmm1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu> Subject: TT vs 386 boxes From: cmm1@CUNIXA.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Christopher M Mauritz) Newgroups: comp.sys.atari.st 15 3 <9777@attctc.Dallas.TX.US> Subject: Re: Super VGA Standard From: chasm@attctc.Dallas.TX.US (Charles Marslett) Newgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc 16 3 <8600002@kolmogorov> Subject: Re: UNIX history made easy From: ari@kolmogorov.physics.uiuc.edu Newgroups: comp.unix.wizards 17 3 <710@lakart.UUCP> 18 3 <688.252e37c2@simpact.com> 19 3 <6693@hubcap.clemson.edu> 20 3 <6481@pt.cs.cmu.edu> Subject: Re: Self-modifying code From: koopman@a.gp.cs.cmu.edu (Philip Koopman) Newgroups: comp.arch 21 3 <5940011@hpcupt1.HP.COM> Subject: <varargs.h> for Turbo C ? From: swh@hpcupt1.HP.COM (Steve Harrold) Newgroups: comp.lang.c 22 3 <5509@tank.uchicago.edu> 23 3 <5154@uhccux.uhcc.hawaii.edu> Subject: what are you doing with OS/2??? From: todd@uhccux.uhcc.hawaii.edu (Todd Ogasawara) Newgroups: comp.os.os2 24 3 <506@oglvee.UUCP> Subject: Help! Altos 5.3.1 fork is failing! From: jr@oglvee.UUCP (Jim Rosenberg) Newgroups: comp.unix.i386,comp.unix.wizards 25 3 <3807@rtech.rtech.com> Subject: Re: Schedule and budget are secondary From: linda@rtech.rtech.com (Linda Mundy) Newgroups: comp.sw.components,comp.software-eng -- Arthur David Olson ado@alw.nih.gov ADO is a trademark of Ampex.
tneff@bfmny0.UU.NET (Tom Neff) (10/24/89)
In article <9185@elsie.UUCP> ado@elsie.UUCP (Arthur David Olson) writes: >Here are ranks, citation counts, Message-IDs, and (if available) >subjects, authors, and newsgroups of the articles most >frequently cited by articles in the comp.all hierarchy >in the last two weeks. ... This sounds pretty cute, except the winning reference counts range from 6 down to 3 (!). Is it really worth memorializing a handful of messages that happened to have three followups? -- I'm a Leo. Leos don't believe * * * Tom Neff in this astrology stuff. * * * tneff@bfmny0.UU.NET
bill@twwells.com (T. William Wells) (10/28/89)
In article <14788@bfmny0.UU.NET> tneff@bfmny0.UU.NET (Tom Neff) writes: : In article <9185@elsie.UUCP> ado@elsie.UUCP (Arthur David Olson) writes: : >Here are ranks, citation counts, Message-IDs, and (if available) : >subjects, authors, and newsgroups of the articles most : >frequently cited by articles in the comp.all hierarchy : >in the last two weeks. ... : : This sounds pretty cute, except the winning reference counts range from : 6 down to 3 (!). Is it really worth memorializing a handful of messages : that happened to have three followups? Especially since it is clearly broken. Look at comp.lang.c. --- Bill { uunet | novavax | ankh | sunvice } !twwells!bill bill@twwells.com
ado@elsie.UUCP (Arthur David Olson) (10/30/89)
Here are ranks, citation counts, Message-IDs, and (if available) subjects, authors, and newsgroups of the articles most frequently cited by articles in the comp.all hierarchy in the last two weeks. Rank Count ID 1 8 <35825@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> Subject: ATTACK OF KILLER MICROS From: brooks@maddog.llnl.gov Newgroups: comp.arch 2 7 <5154@uhccux.uhcc.hawaii.edu> Subject: what are you doing with OS/2??? From: todd@uhccux.uhcc.hawaii.edu (Todd Ogasawara) Newgroups: comp.os.os2 3 5 <253E39D3.16055@ateng.com> Subject: Re: How do you tell a wizard? From: chip@ateng.com (Chip Salzenberg) Newgroups: comp.unix.wizards,alt.flame,talk.bizarre 4 5 <227@promark.UUCP> Subject: Re: How do you tell a wizard? From: mark@promark.UUCP (Mark J. DeFilippis) Newgroups: comp.unix.wizards 5 5 <1989Oct19.143604.21001@rpi.edu> Subject: Re: what are you doing with OS/2??? From: ander@pawl.rpi.edu (Michael R. Primm) Newgroups: comp.os.os2 6 5 <14240@well.UUCP> Subject: A solution to the multiple inclusion problem From: nagle@well.UUCP (John Nagle) Newgroups: comp.lang.c,comp.lang.c++,gnu.g++ 7 5 <1019@psc90.UUCP> 8 4 <3981@helios.ee.lbl.gov> 9 4 <3732@dell.dell.com> 10 4 <357@massey.ac.nz> 11 4 <2394@uceng.UC.EDU> 12 4 <2376@munnari.oz.au> 13 4 <1989Oct23.191634.6345@cs.rochester.edu> Subject: Re: A solution to the multiple inclusion problem From: crowl@cs.rochester.edu (Lawrence Crowl) Newgroups: comp.lang.c,comp.lang.c++,gnu.g++ 14 4 <1240@marlin.NOSC.MIL> 15 4 <12239@cit-vax.Caltech.Edu> Subject: the "const" qualifier From: andy@cit-vax.Caltech.Edu (Andy Fyfe) Newgroups: comp.std.c 16 4 <1081@m3.mfci.UUCP> Subject: Re: ATTACK OF KILLER MICROS From: colwell@mfci.UUCP (Robert Colwell) Newgroups: comp.arch 17 3 <none> Subject: Somebody said that they could find a bogus poster From: fred@flinstones.com Newgroups: news.newusers.questions 18 3 <AZEdI9u00VoH4TnkUp@andrew.cmu.edu> Subject: Borland International From: hp0p+@andrew.cmu.edu (Hokkun Pang) Newgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc 19 3 <929@uakari.primate.wisc.edu> Subject: The Great Vi Controversy From: bin@primate.wisc.edu (Brain in Neutral) Newgroups: comp.unix.wizards 20 3 <76700077@p.cs.uiuc.edu> Subject: Fed up with MIPS From: gillies@p.cs.uiuc.edu Newgroups: comp.arch 21 3 <7651@bunny.GTE.COM> 22 3 <5164@uhccux.uhcc.hawaii.edu> Subject: Pascal to C (and vice versa) From: dillon@uhccux.uhcc.hawaii.edu (Ian Dillon) Newgroups: comp.lang.c,comp.lang.pascal 23 3 <506@oglvee.UUCP> Subject: Help! Altos 5.3.1 fork is failing! From: jr@oglvee.UUCP (Jim Rosenberg) Newgroups: comp.unix.i386,comp.unix.wizards 24 3 <49631@oliveb.olivetti.com> Subject: Re: The Great Vi Controversy From: swirsky@olivee.olivetti.com (Robert Swirsky) Newgroups: comp.unix.wizards 25 3 <3789@solo6.cs.vu.nl> Subject: setuid shell scripts (was: Re: Running processes as root) From: maart@cs.vu.nl (Maarten Litmaath) Newgroups: comp.unix.questions -- Arthur David Olson ado@alw.nih.gov ADO is a trademark of Ampex.
news@elsie.UUCP (news) (11/11/89)
> If this were RuffedGrouseNet I would say the poster was trying to > attract females with this display. . . Future citation postings will be by the (anonymous) user "news"; this may prevent such misunderstanding of their purpose.
mesard@bbn.com (Wayne Mesard) (11/12/89)
J Greely <jgreely@cis.ohio-state.edu> writes: >Prefixing them with a clarifying paragraph would do quite a bit more >to prevent misunderstanding. It might answer questions like: > >1) Why post this list? Is it "what you might be missing", or > "mindless bean-counting"? (reminds me of that old favorite, >6) [...] 7) Why isn't a distinction made between direct and indirect follow-ups (i.e. an indication of the length vs. breadth of the thread). 8) What about threads that span this arbitrary two week boundary, won't their stats be artificially deflated? 9) You mean this list really is useless? -- unsigned *Wayne_Mesard(); "This is a show for people with great haircuts Mesard@BBN.COM and short attention spans." BBN, Cambridge, MA - from the Nakamichi(?) International Music Series
news@elsie.UUCP (news) (11/13/89)
Here are ranks, counts, and Message-IDs (and subjects, authors,
and newsgroups if available) of the articles that appeared
most often in comp.all References: lines
in articles received here over the last two weeks.
The References: of each article are counted once,
no matter how many groups the article was cross-posted in.
Rank Count ID
1 24 <17707@watdragon.waterloo.edu>
Subject: Unsafe at any speed
From: ccplumb@rose.waterloo.edu (Colin Plumb)
Newgroups: comp.arch
2 20 <47040@bbn.COM>
3 20 <2186@ektools.UUCP>
4 20 <17166@rpp386.cactus.org>
5 19 <2725@ganymede.inmos.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Compaq find problem with chip
From: des@yatton.inmos.co.uk (David Shepherd)
Newgroups: comp.arch,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.ibm.pc
6 19 <2719@ganymede.inmos.co.uk>
7 17 <2627@dogie.macc.wisc.edu>
8 16 <6964@tekigm2.MEN.TEK.COM>
Subject: Re: A question of Netiquette
From: marks@tekigm2.MEN.TEK.COM (Mark D. Salzman)
Newgroups: comp.graphics
9 16 <625@motbos.UUCP>
Subject: Lock Files From Shell Scripts
From: artp@motbos.UUCP (Art Parmet)
Newgroups: comp.unix.questions
10 16 <23604@cup.portal.com>
11 16 <143@asihub.UUCP>
12 16 <10609@cbnews.ATT.COM>
13 15 <6661@ficc.uu.net>
14 15 <4963@macom1.UUCP>
Subject: Re: Lock Files From Shell Scripts
From: larry@macom1.UUCP (Larry Taborek)
Newgroups: comp.unix.questions
15 15 <35825@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV>
16 14 <8952@goofy.megatest.UUCP>
17 14 <2739@hub.UUCP>
18 14 <2640@dogie.macc.wisc.edu>
Subject: ptrs and arrays
From: yahnke@vms.macc.wisc.edu (Ross Yahnke, MACC)
Newgroups: comp.lang.c
19 14 <11380@smoke.BRL.MIL>
20 13 <6724@ficc.uu.net>
Subject: Re: IBM and Apple Operating Systems (Re: dosread.c again)
From: peter@ficc.uu.net (Peter da Silva)
Newgroups: comp.os.minix,comp.sys.ibm.pc,comp.unix.xenix
21 13 <2703@pur-phy>
Subject: Re: A question of Netiquette
From: clt@pur-phy (Carrick Talmadge)
Newgroups: comp.graphics
22 12 <786@awdprime.UUCP>
Subject: 386SX replacements for 80286 machines
From: ron@woan.austin.ibm.com (Ronald S. Woan)
Newgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc
23 12 <622@ajpo.sei.cmu.edu>
Subject: Apology
From: eberard@ajpo.sei.cmu.edu (Edward Berard)
Newgroups: comp.object
24 11 <6382@jpl-devvax.JPL.NASA.GOV>
Subject: Sun's silly TCP implementation
From: cyamamot@jpl-devvax.JPL.NASA.GOV (Cliff Yamamoto)
Newgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip
25 11 <20527@mimsy.umd.edu>tneff@bfmny0.UU.NET (Tom Neff) (11/13/89)
Useless dreck. What's next, preposition histograms?
emv@math.lsa.umich.edu (Edward Vielmetti) (11/13/89)
In article <14906@bfmny0.UU.NET> tneff@bfmny0.UU.NET (Tom Neff) writes: >Useless dreck. What's next, preposition histograms? Actually I'd like to see a nice "sample article" from each newsgroup as constructed from text posted in the last month (the so-called 'travesty' generator, I can't remember the real name of the algorithm). That would be neat. I make use of these postings! It's a quick way to decide whether to wade into a comp.* newsgroup that I don't have time to keep up with but periodically has a nice long discussion about something of interest. --Ed to: 5 from: 4 about: 3 of: 3 . . .
jgreely@oz.cis.ohio-state.edu (J Greely) (11/14/89)
In article <9200@elsie.UUCP> news@elsie.UUCP (news) writes: >Rank Count ID > 2 20 <47040@bbn.COM> > 3 20 <2186@ektools.UUCP> > 4 20 <17166@rpp386.cactus.org> > 6 19 <2719@ganymede.inmos.co.uk> ... Please explain how useful these statistics are when more than half of the top 25 are bare message-ids. Considering that the articles being counted *are* in a newsgroup, you should be able to pull a composite Newsgroups line out of the followups, even if the referenced article has expired. If you don't consider that a viable solution, you should shorten your survey period or lengthen your expiration times. -=- J Greely (jgreely@cis.ohio-state.edu; osu-cis!jgreely)
jgreely@oz.cis.ohio-state.edu (J Greely) (11/15/89)
In article <9200@elsie.UUCP> news@elsie.UUCP (news) writes: >Here are ranks, counts, and Message-IDs (and subjects, authors, and >newsgroups if available) of the articles that appeared most often in >comp.all References: lines in articles received here over the last two >weeks. I think I'm going to have to ask how you do your counting, since your statistics don't jibe with mine at all. My first guess is that elsie.UUCP expires news in less than two weeks, and my second is that your program has a bug or three. I was initially suspicious because the counts felt wrong for groups that I read, and after taking a few hours and rolling my own program (in Perl, naturally), I pretty much confirmed it. My number one article in comp.all for the period between October 29 and November 12 (midnight to midnight) isn't even in your list: 1 33 comp.sys.atari.st TT's VME-slots <CMM.0.88.625285647.cmm1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu> Interestingly, all but two of the 33 articles counted arrived here during the first seven days of the period, which reinforces my impression that you're expiring early. Moving on, your number one is my number three, and I've got six more references: > 1 24 <17707@watdragon.waterloo.edu> 3 30 comp.arch Unsafe at any speed <17707@watdragon.waterloo.edu> So, just how are you going about producing your figures? And how long does a run take? And do you plan on posting the code to alt.sources? I ask because I've actually grown to like the idea behind your actions, and see potential for it on a personal level, as a watchdog over newsgroups I don't normally read. I'll probably set my program to run automatically every few days and mail me the output. My trial runs found several threads in misc and rec that I want to check out (and there is a mild curiosity brewing about "Harmless Revenge" in soc.singles...). "They *are* a nasty looking bunch!" "We might need some help." "I've got the Swiss Army Knife..." "Ah, then we're all set." -=- J Greely (jgreely@cis.ohio-state.edu; osu-cis!jgreely)
news@elsie.UUCP (news) (12/10/89)
Here are ranks, counts, and Message-IDs (and subjects, authors,
and newsgroups if available) of the articles that appeared
most often in comp.all References: lines
in articles received here over the last 14 days.
The References: of each article are counted once,
no matter how many groups the article was cross-posted in.
Rank Count ID
1 39 <9624@pyr.gatech.EDU>
2 39 <2664@bingvaxu.cc.binghamton.edu>
3 35 <4283@helios.ee.lbl.gov>
Subject: Will the Next sell?
From: tierney@lbl-csam.arpa (Brian Tierney [SFSU Computer Science Dept])
Newgroups: comp.sys.next
4 34 <1623@odin.SGI.COM>
Subject: Continuations
From: shap@delrey.sgi.com (Jonathan Shapiro)
Newgroups: comp.object,comp.lang.c++
5 32 <2298@jato.Jpl.Nasa.Gov>
Subject: Zero Length Arrays Allowed in C Standard?
From: baalke@mars.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Newgroups: comp.lang.c
6 29 <480@codonics.COM>
Subject: Re: Zero Length Arrays Allowed in C Standard?
From: bret@codonics.COM (Bret Orsburn)
Newgroups: comp.lang.c
7 29 <1989Nov28.011514.4193@virtech.uucp>
Subject: Re: FCC doing it again...
From: cpcahil@virtech.uucp (Conor P. Cahill)
Newgroups: comp.unix.wizards
8 29 <11715@smoke.BRL.MIL>
Subject: Re: Zero Length Arrays Allowed in C Standard?
From: gwyn@smoke.BRL.MIL (Doug Gwyn)
Newgroups: comp.lang.c
9 27 <1989Nov22.175128.24910@ico.isc.com>
10 27 <1128@m3.mfci.UUCP>
11 26 <3893@scolex.sco.COM>
12 25 <39361@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV>
13 25 <246@cfa.HARVARD.EDU>
Subject: Re: FCC doing it again...
From: wyatt@cfa.HARVARD.EDU (Bill Wyatt)
Newgroups: comp.unix.wizards,comp.misc
14 24 <547@mars.Morgan.COM>
Subject: Re: A question of style
From: amull@Morgan.COM (Andrew P. Mullhaupt)
Newgroups: comp.lang.c
15 24 <1989Nov25.000120.18261@world.std.com>
16 24 <17305@netnews.upenn.edu>
17 23 <21301@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU>
Subject: Re: Will the Next sell?
From: rlp@beach.cis.ufl.edu (Bob Powell)
Newgroups: comp.sys.next
18 22 <Nov.18.22.47.26.1989.9685@paul.rutgers.edu>
19 22 <1989Nov30.001947.14883@aqdata.uucp>
Subject: Re: A question of style
From: sullivan@aqdata.uucp (Michael T. Sullivan)
Newgroups: comp.lang.c
20 21 <6895@sybase.sybase.com>
21 21 <34796@regenmeister.uucp>
22 21 <2184@kodak.UUCP>
23 21 <203@limbo.Intuitive.Com>
Subject: HP Customer Support...
From: taylor@limbo.Intuitive.Com (Dave Taylor)
Newgroups: comp.sys.hp
24 21 <1989Nov27.144016.23181@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu>
Subject: Re: X-terms v. PCs v. Workstations
From: jdd@db.toronto.edu (John DiMarco)
Newgroups: comp.arch
25 20 <964@abvax.UUCP>
Subject: Who will buy the NeXT
From: jaz@abvax.UUCP (Jack A. Zucker)
Newgroups: comp.sys.nextnews@elsie.UUCP (news) (12/17/89)
Here are ranks, counts, and Message-IDs (and subjects, authors,
and newsgroups if available) of the articles that appeared
most often in comp.all References: lines
in articles received here over the last 14 days.
The References: of each article are counted once,
no matter how many groups the article was cross-posted in.
Rank Count ID
1 40 <2298@jato.Jpl.Nasa.Gov>
2 39 <480@codonics.COM>
Subject: Re: Zero Length Arrays Allowed in C Standard?
From: bret@codonics.COM (Bret Orsburn)
Newgroups: comp.lang.c
3 38 <11715@smoke.BRL.MIL>
4 23 <1989Dec2.210042.12668@twwells.com>
Subject: Re: Zero Length Arrays Allowed in C Standard?
From: bill@twwells.com (T. William Wells)
Newgroups: comp.lang.c
5 22 <964@abvax.UUCP>
6 22 <547@mars.Morgan.COM>
7 21 <1989Nov30.001947.14883@aqdata.uucp>
8 20 <9986@zodiac.ADS.COM>
9 19 <Nov.18.22.47.26.1989.9685@paul.rutgers.edu>
10 19 <69516@psuecl.bitnet>
Subject: How Do You Pronounce "#define"?
From: bpm@psuecl.bitnet (Brian Moquin)
Newgroups: comp.lang.c
11 17 <34796@regenmeister.uucp>
12 17 <3277@hub.UUCP>
13 17 <1501@rodan.acs.syr.edu>
14 16 <601@bmers58.UUCP>
Subject: Determining one's own IP address.
From: davem@bmers58.UUCP (Dave Mielke)
Newgroups: comp.unix.wizards
15 16 <44410@bu-cs.BU.EDU>
Subject: Phantom of the Operating System
From: bear@bu-pub.bu.edu (Blair M. Burtan)
Newgroups: comp.sys.amiga
16 16 <4221@sbcs.sunysb.edu>
Subject: Re: I'm not sure I believe this. (was Re: New WDEF Virus)
From: vallon@sboslab15.cs.sunysb.edu (Justin Vallon)
Newgroups: comp.sys.mac
17 15 <POLLACK.89Dec4133944@toto.cis.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: Using a postscript printer for previewing?
From: pollack@toto.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jordan B Pollack)
Newgroups: comp.lang.postscript
18 15 <546@sagpd1.UUCP>
19 15 <4727@netcom.UUCP>
20 15 <4429@ur-cc.UUCP>
Subject: Re: Determining one's own IP address.
From: leadley@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Scott Leadley)
Newgroups: comp.unix.wizards
21 15 <4180@sbcs.sunysb.edu>
Subject: What should the password/security/userinfo/login system include?
From: brnstnd@stealth.acf.nyu.edu (Dan Bernstein)
Newgroups: comp.unix.wizards
22 15 <223@bohra.cpg.oz>
Subject: MSC __STDC__ strange value
From: ejp@bohra.cpg.oz (Esmond Pitt)
Newgroups: comp.os.os2,comp.lang.c,comp.std.c
23 15 <2226@jato.Jpl.Nasa.Gov>
24 15 <207400043@s.cs.uiuc.edu>
Subject: Re: smallest sphere enclosing a set of
From: mcooper@s.cs.uiuc.edu
Newgroups: comp.graphics
25 15 <17380@rpp386.cactus.org>news@elsie.UUCP (news) (12/24/89)
Here are ranks, counts, and Message-IDs (and subjects, authors,
and newsgroups if available) of the articles that appeared
most often in comp.all References: lines
in articles received here over the last 14 days.
The References: of each article are counted once,
no matter how many groups the article was cross-posted in.
Rank Count ID
1 132 <6767@tank.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Re: Xerox sues Apple!!!
From: gft_robert@gsbacd.uchicago.edu
Newgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc,comp.sys.mac,comp.sys.amiga
2 117 <1989Dec17.112127.27333@me.toronto.edu>
Subject: Re: Xerox sues Apple!!!
From: yap@me.utoronto.ca (Davin Yap)
Newgroups: comp.sys.amiga,comp.sys.ibm.pc,comp.sys.mac
3 112 <14960@boulder.Colorado.EDU>
Subject: Re: Xerox sues Apple!!!
From: kuo@boulder.Colorado.EDU (KUO ANDY Y)
Newgroups: comp.sys.amiga,comp.sys.ibm.pc,comp.sys.mac
4 49 <172@comcon.UUCP>
Subject: Xerox sues Apple!
From: roy@comcon.UUCP (Roy M. Silvernail)
Newgroups: comp.misc
5 45 <7326@ficc.uu.net>
Subject: Re: Xerox sues Apple!
From: peter@ficc.uu.net (Peter da Silva)
Newgroups: comp.misc
6 41 <9320@hoptoad.uucp>
Subject: Re: Xerox sues Apple!
From: tim@hoptoad.uucp (Tim Maroney)
Newgroups: comp.misc
7 34 <4540@ur-cc.UUCP>
Subject: Xerox sues Apple!!!
From: ctne_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Chris Newbold)
Newgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc,comp.sys.mac,comp.misc,misc.legal
8 34 <33269@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU>
Subject: Re: Xerox sues Apple!!!
From: kipnis@janus.Berkeley.EDU (Gary Kipnis)
Newgroups: comp.sys.amiga,comp.sys.ibm.pc,comp.sys.mac
9 31 <4574@ur-cc.UUCP>
Subject: Re: Xerox sues Apple!!!
From: ctne_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Chris Newbold)
Newgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc,comp.sys.mac
10 29 <4180@sbcs.sunysb.edu>
11 28 <1989Dec17.223025.6618@me.toronto.edu>
Subject: Re: Xerox sues Apple!!!
From: yap@me.utoronto.ca (Davin Yap)
Newgroups: comp.sys.amiga,comp.sys.ibm.pc,comp.sys.mac
12 27 <1989Dec7.172233.10130@chinet.chi.il.us>
Subject: Re: What should the password/security/userinfo/login system include?
From: les@chinet.chi.il.us (Leslie Mikesell)
Newgroups: comp.unix.wizards
13 25 <POLLACK.89Dec4133944@toto.cis.ohio-state.edu>
14 23 <1210@serene.UUCP>
Subject: PC's are democratic; Mac's are fascistic
From: rfarris@serene.UUCP (Rick Farris)
Newgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc,comp.sys.mac
15 21 <8912190403.AA05387@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>
Subject: Re: Networks considered harmful
From: 702WFG@SCRVMSYS.BITNET (bill gunshannon)
Newgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip
16 21 <1989Dec18.081450.28019@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu>
Subject: Multi-button mice (Re: Xerox sues Apple!)
From: flee@shire.cs.psu.edu (Felix Lee)
Newgroups: comp.misc,comp.cog-eng
17 21 <15097@well.UUCP>
Subject: USENET -> GEnie uplink now working
From: dsmall@well.UUCP (David Small)
Newgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
18 20 <28@macuni.mqcc.mq.oz>
Subject: Re: Using a postscript printer for previewing?
From: ifarqhar@mqccsunc.mqcc.mq.OZ (Ian Farquhar)
Newgroups: comp.lang.postscript
19 19 <9986@zodiac.ADS.COM>
20 18 <7777@cbnewsm.ATT.COM>
Subject: Re: Xerox sues Apple!!!
From: wg@cbnewsm.ATT.COM (Bill Gieske)
Newgroups: comp.sys.amiga,comp.sys.ibm.pc,comp.sys.mac
21 18 <654400003@cdp>
Subject: Disks Hang Under 2.0.2 SCSI
From: steve@cdp.UUCP
Newgroups: comp.unix.i386
22 18 <192@atncpc.UUCP>
Subject: Re: What do I want to see in the Apple of the 90's?
From: bruce@atncpc.UUCP (Bruce Henderson)
Newgroups: comp.sys.mac,comp.sys.next
23 17 <7614@sdcsvax.UCSD.Edu>
Subject: Re: What do I want to see in the Apple of the 90's?
From: fellman@celece.ucsd.edu (Ronald Fellman)
Newgroups: comp.sys.mac,comp.sys.next
24 16 <935@crash.cts.com>
Subject: Re: USENET -> GEnie uplink now working
From: canada@crash.cts.com (Diane Barlow Close)
Newgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
25 16 <6488@lindy.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: Backwards cat
From: odin@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Jon Granrose)
Newgroups: comp.sources.wanted,alt.sources.wantedjill@tank.uchicago.edu (jill holly hansen) (12/26/89)
In article <9223@elsie.UUCP> news@elsie.UUCP (news) writes:
-Here are ranks, counts, and Message-IDs (and subjects, authors,
-and newsgroups if available) of the articles that appeared
-most often in comp.all References: lines
-in articles received here over the last 14 days.
-The References: of each article are counted once,
-no matter how many groups the article was cross-posted in.
-
(long, long article deleted.)
Could someone please tell me what the value of this
BIWEEKLY posting is? Why should it exist in news.misc?
If it has any value, would it be appropriate for postings
for each newsgroup? (Of course not).
Just a waste of disk space and connect time.
--
==========================
Jill Hansen
Jill@tank.uchicago.edugt1342a@prism.gatech.EDU (LEDUC) (12/27/89)
> could someone please tell me what the value of this BIWEEKLY posting is?
Hey, _I_ like it. Takes up lots less bandwidth than other useless crap floating
around the net, and (oops) it's sort of fun to see which flame wars reached
ridiculous proportions. At the moment, I'm wondering if this very subject
will become a flame war... I love to have the opportunity to say "told ya so"
while being faux-nice enough to not do so while mentioning that I could.
HA. NOW what's a waste of bandwidth? I think you're too picky. Possesseth
thou NOT an 'n' key? Where WOULD you put such an article, comp.sys.mac?
Take a nembutal and check the news in the morning.
--
Charles LeDuc | gt1342a@prism.gatech.edu | GT PoBox 31342a Atl GA 30332-1001 USA
NetMail 7301/203 | NetMail 7301/1 | "victims of incipient Bang-Utut..." W.S.B.
...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,rutgers,purdue}!gatech!prism!gt1342a |Please apply all
...!{allegra,amd,hplabs,ut-ngp}!gatech!prism!gt1342a | Standard Disclaimers ;-<davidsen@crdos1.crd.ge.COM (Wm E Davidsen Jr) (12/27/89)
In article <4510@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt1342a@prism.gatech.EDU () writes: | Hey, _I_ like it. Takes up lots less bandwidth than other useless crap floating | around the net, and (oops) it's sort of fun to see which flame wars reached | ridiculous proportions. Well, in a lot of cases it's not flames but answers to questions. Particularly if the question is fairly tough and frequently answered incorrectly. Lots of people will post an answer to show that they are up on the "hard stuff." And there may be a lot of answers, none of them identifyable as best. -- bill davidsen (davidsen@crdos1.crd.GE.COM -or- uunet!crdgw1!crdos1!davidsen) "The world is filled with fools. They blindly follow their so-called 'reason' in the face of the church and common sense. Any fool can see that the world is flat!" - anon
tale@cs.rpi.edu (David C Lawrence) (12/29/89)
In <6872@tank.uchicago.edu> jill@tank.uchicago.edu (jill holly hansen): > could someone please tell me what the value of this BIWEEKLY posting is? In article <4510@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt1342a@prism.gatech.EDU (LEDUC) writes: > Hey, _I_ like it. You're one of few; I think this is the first public posting I've seen in support of this. A lot of other people seem to think that the information which it communicates is pretty useless in a few regards. Lets look at the last one posted: } Here are ranks, counts, and Message-IDs (and subjects, authors, } and newsgroups if available) of the articles that appeared So why bother if you (not you, LEDUC. news@elsie.UUCP) don't provide that other information? Item 10 on the list is an excellent example. Only three of them made this list; previous postings have had many more than this. Apparently the referenced article expired so the other information was not available. Ok. So what use is the fact that it was #10 on the list? Very, very few sites keep full articles around for more than fourteen days such that someone could retreive that article if they wanted to because they saw it in this list. } most often in comp.all References: lines in articles received here } over the last 14 days. What is this telling us though? Is it an attempt to say that they were good articles? Or that they were bad articles which got flamed a lot? Or something else? The fact that it is saying, "These got cited a lot" doesn't seem to be a meaningful reason to post biweekly statistics about it. Often times it is the case, too, that the article being cited really has little bearing on the current state of the thread. For example, the number one article on the list was cited 132 times. I am not going to check, but I would be very surprised if greater than 50% of those 132 articles made direct reference to that article. Speaking of References: I note that though you responded directly to Jill you did not include her article's id in a References: line in your article. The instability of the References: line, which is commonly screwed up somehow, is yet another factor that makes the accuracy and significance of the statistics questionable. In the last posting, of the top eleven articles (don't forget the #10 spot with only a Message-ID:), ten of them were as such: } Subject: Re: Xerox sues Apple!!! The groups varied a little, certainly, as did the people and the ids. It still seems to be quite an odd use of statistics, though. > Takes up lots less bandwidth than other useless crap floating > around the net, Well, that is true too. So what? We're not discussuing the other useless crap. We're discussing this useless crap. > and (oops) it's sort of fun to see which flame wars reached > ridiculous proportions. From what I saw of the Xerox sues Apple!!! thread it really wasn't that colossol a flame war, yet it swamped this list. Most of it didn't seem like a flame war, just a lot of talk. > At the moment, I'm wondering if this very subject will become a > flame war... It has potential, but only for a minor one. Won't make that stats anyway unless it gets moved to comp.all. > I love to have the opportunity to say "told ya so" while being > faux-nice enough to not do so while mentioning that I could. HA. Er, "told ya so" what? Say this thread just died right here, as it might. What would it have been that you would have told me (and Jill and Tom Neff and others that have asked news@elsie to just not do this)? > NOW what's a waste of bandwidth? Lots of things are. Most of USENET is from a very strict point of view. This article right now is wasting my time and the time of everyone who is reading it. We could be out saving the world. Instead we sit around USENET and read and respond, sometimes helping people (that's the non-waste part) to get more work done or just enjoy some R & R, sometimes flaming wildly (sort of fits in the R & R for a lot of people too) and sometimes just not getting anything beneficial accomplished. USENET is a humongous cramp to productivity just as much as it is a humongous boon to that very same productivity. This biweekly list, though, seems to fall more into the former category than the latter. Bandwidth is both a physical thing and a conceptual thing -- it is not only the resources an article consumes in order to get from place to place but how other people consume the article itself -- scanning, reading, replying, skipping, et al. To many people this article that I am now composing, with a lot of bytes written about a pretty petty topic, will be a waste of their personal bandwidth; nearly every article that passes through USENET is a waste of most people's bandwidth somehow. Then again, so are most of the articles when we read a large newspaper. > Possesseth thou NOT an 'n' key? The 'n' key is NOT a cure-all! It still takes time to look at an article and say "Oh wow, how useless. n." > Where WOULD you put such an article, comp.sys.mac? alt.dev.null. > Take a nembutal and check the news in the morning. Thanks for the prescription, Doc. My cheque is in the mail. Dave -- (setq mail '("tale@cs.rpi.edu" "tale@ai.mit.edu" "tale@rpitsmts.bitnet"))
tneff@bfmny0.UU.NET (Tom Neff) (12/29/89)
Part of the problem with this 'most often cited' index is that the originator seems to fatally misunderstand the idea behind the monthly 'Top Submitter' lists from UUNET. They are not AWARDS, they are NUISANCE bulletins! Being the top submitter is a mark of concern, not honor. What is the implied message behind this 'service'? Here, these are the busiest discussions, hurry over and 'pile on' while you still can? What kind of message gets the most descendants, in real net life? Pithy, information-packed postings in the finest Usenet tradition are seldom followed-up to at all, or only the minimum amount. The choicest candidates for blizzards of followups are (a) boneheaded misstatements which everyone and his brother has to rush in and correct; (b) hotheaded flamage which offends a healthy crop of argumentative respondees and pedant scolds; (c) the 'nice' one - reminiscence chatter among various net veterans unexpectedly pleased to read someone praising the IBM 7094 or the 1968 Questar or the Leica R2 or whatever. What does the index tell net readers that they don't already know? If a reader follows the newsgroup in question, he or she has already seen the referred-to discussion and doesn't need to be told about it here; if the indexed discussion is in an unfollowed newsgroup, what is the likelihood that such a user will want to go over and check it out? Even in this last case, what good does the message ID do? And WHAT good does a NO-SUBJECT message ID do? Are readers supposed to say Oh, that looks like a ripsnorting good message ID, I'd better hasten over to comp.hollerith.chaff and hunt for it? Basically the 'most cited' attempt is CLUELESS. It appears to exist primarily for the sake of appearing important. Vowel counts would be about as interesting. -- Knowing when to optimize is ==>/ Tom Neff as important as knowing how. /<== tneff@bfmny0.UU.NET
shore@mtxinu.COM (Melinda Shore) (12/30/89)
In article <15039@bfmny0.UU.NET> tneff@bfmny0.UU.NET (Tom Neff) writes: >Basically the 'most cited' attempt is CLUELESS. It appears to exist >primarily for the sake of appearing important. Vowel counts would be >about as interesting. Well, no, not exactly. Citing patterns can tell us a lot about the ways in which information is propagated and about information transfer. That said, I still don't like the "most cited" postings. If I wanted the information I'd gather it locally. I suspect that most people (including me) aren't that interested in the information, and it could have the unfortunate effect of encouraging people to write articles that are likely to incite follow-ups. -- Melinda Shore shore@mtxinu.com mt Xinu ..!uunet!mtxinu.com!shore
mark@hsi.UUCP (Mark Sicignano) (12/30/89)
In article <HADXM@rpi.edu> tale@cs.rpi.edu (David C Lawrence) writes: >In article <4510@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt1342a@prism.gatech.EDU (LEDUC) writes: >> Possesseth thou NOT an 'n' key? > >The 'n' key is NOT a cure-all! It still takes time to look at an >article and say "Oh wow, how useless. n." What about the 'K' key? Kill files are wonderful...bye...K -mark -- Mark Sicignano ...!uunet!hsi!mark Health Systems International mark@hsi.com
news@elsie.UUCP (news) (12/31/89)
Here are ranks, counts, and Message-IDs (and subjects, authors,
and newsgroups if available) of the articles that appeared
most often in comp.all References: lines
in articles received here over the last 14 days.
The References: of each article are counted once,
no matter how many groups the article was cross-posted in.
Rank Count ID
1 141 <6767@tank.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Re: Xerox sues Apple!!!
From: gft_robert@gsbacd.uchicago.edu
Newgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc,comp.sys.mac,comp.sys.amiga
2 127 <1989Dec17.112127.27333@me.toronto.edu>
Subject: Re: Xerox sues Apple!!!
From: yap@me.utoronto.ca (Davin Yap)
Newgroups: comp.sys.amiga,comp.sys.ibm.pc,comp.sys.mac
3 110 <14960@boulder.Colorado.EDU>
Subject: Re: Xerox sues Apple!!!
From: kuo@boulder.Colorado.EDU (KUO ANDY Y)
Newgroups: comp.sys.amiga,comp.sys.ibm.pc,comp.sys.mac
4 59 <172@comcon.UUCP>
Subject: Xerox sues Apple!
From: roy@comcon.UUCP (Roy M. Silvernail)
Newgroups: comp.misc
5 55 <7326@ficc.uu.net>
Subject: Re: Xerox sues Apple!
From: peter@ficc.uu.net (Peter da Silva)
Newgroups: comp.misc
6 51 <9320@hoptoad.uucp>
Subject: Re: Xerox sues Apple!
From: tim@hoptoad.uucp (Tim Maroney)
Newgroups: comp.misc
7 38 <4574@ur-cc.UUCP>
Subject: Re: Xerox sues Apple!!!
From: ctne_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Chris Newbold)
Newgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc,comp.sys.mac
8 30 <4540@ur-cc.UUCP>
Subject: Xerox sues Apple!!!
From: ctne_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Chris Newbold)
Newgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc,comp.sys.mac,comp.misc,misc.legal
9 27 <POLLACK.89Dec4133944@toto.cis.ohio-state.edu>
10 25 <31821@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Can Machines Think?
From: dave@cogsci.indiana.edu (David Chalmers)
Newgroups: comp.ai,talk.philosophy.misc,sci.philosophy.tech
11 25 <28@macuni.mqcc.mq.oz>
12 25 <1989Dec18.081450.28019@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu>
Subject: Multi-button mice (Re: Xerox sues Apple!)
From: flee@shire.cs.psu.edu (Felix Lee)
Newgroups: comp.misc,comp.cog-eng
13 23 <1210@serene.UUCP>
Subject: PC's are democratic; Mac's are fascistic
From: rfarris@serene.UUCP (Rick Farris)
Newgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc,comp.sys.mac
14 22 <1989Dec17.223025.6618@me.toronto.edu>
Subject: Re: Xerox sues Apple!!!
From: yap@me.utoronto.ca (Davin Yap)
Newgroups: comp.sys.amiga,comp.sys.ibm.pc,comp.sys.mac
15 21 <8912190403.AA05387@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>
Subject: Re: Networks considered harmful
From: 702WFG@SCRVMSYS.BITNET (bill gunshannon)
Newgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip
16 21 <84768@linus.UUCP>
Subject: Integer Multiply/Divide on Sparc
From: bs@linus.UUCP (Robert D. Silverman)
Newgroups: sci.math,comp.arch,comp.lang.c,comp.sources.wanted
17 21 <37366@apple.Apple.COM>
Subject: Re: Xerox sues Apple!!!
From: rewing@Apple.COM (Richard Ewing)
Newgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc,comp.sys.mac
18 20 <33269@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU>
Subject: Re: Xerox sues Apple!!!
From: kipnis@janus.Berkeley.EDU (Gary Kipnis)
Newgroups: comp.sys.amiga,comp.sys.ibm.pc,comp.sys.mac
19 18 <8840004@hpfcso.HP.COM>
Subject: Re: Integer Multiply/Divide on Sparc
From: dgr@hpfcso.HP.COM (Dave Roberts)
Newgroups: comp.arch
20 18 <351@fwi.uva.nl>
Subject: What song contains the phrase "WYSIWYG"?
From: freek@fwi.uva.nl (Freek Wiedijk)
Newgroups: comp.misc,comp.text.desktop,rec.music.misc
21 17 <7777@cbnewsm.ATT.COM>
Subject: Re: Xerox sues Apple!!!
From: wg@cbnewsm.ATT.COM (Bill Gieske)
Newgroups: comp.sys.amiga,comp.sys.ibm.pc,comp.sys.mac
22 17 <511090@nstar.UUCP>
Subject: ISC update
From: larry@nstar.UUCP (Larry Snyder)
Newgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc,comp.unix.xenix,comp.unix.i386
23 16 <8912162135.AA03025@iris.rand.org>
Subject: Re: Is SUN a "PURE PLAYER" in window systems - SunView or OpenWindows???
From: salzman%iris@RAND.ORG (Isaac)
Newgroups: comp.windows.news
24 16 <4290@crdgw1.crd.ge.com>
Subject: Re: Is SUN a "PURE PLAYER" in window systems - SunView or OpenWindows???
From: barnett@crdgw1.crd.ge.com (Bruce Barnett)
Newgroups: comp.windows.news
25 16 <4180@sbcs.sunysb.edu>jill@tank.uchicago.edu (jill holly hansen) (12/31/89)
It is interesting, isn't it, that the compiler of this waste of net resources doesn't list his name. Apparently, however, we are paying his salary. Also interesting is where he directs the followup. >Path: tank!mimsy!cvl!elsie!news >From: news@elsie.UUCP (news) >Newsgroups: news.misc >Subject: Articles most often cited in comp.all >Message-ID: <9224@elsie.UUCP> >Date: 30 Dec 89 18:19:17 GMT >Followup-To: poster -- ========================== Jill Hansen Jill@tank.uchicago.edu
tale@cs.rpi.edu (David C Lawrence) (12/31/89)
In <6977@tank.uchicago.edu> jill@tank.uchicago.edu (jill holly hansen) writes: > It is interesting, isn't it, that the compiler of this waste of > net resources doesn't list his name. Apparently, however, we are > paying his salary. Also interesting is where he directs the > followup. Not really all that interesting; he used to put his name on it (I don't remember his name right now; doesn't really concern me) but in the face of accusations that he might be doing it for some sort of self-stroking ego thing ("WoW! Look ma! I post important stats regularly to the net!") he changed it to be from the more generic news@elsie. I wasn't the one who hypothesized the ego theory; it seems to me that he sincerely is doing it for what he believes to be the benefit of the net, not merely his own gratification. I agree though that direction follow-ups to himself is rather curious. If this is a benefit, and someone wanted to comment on something interesting in the stats, why should he be the only recipient of that commentary? This is of course ignoring, for the moment, the current debate, which is quite likely the reason that the Followup-To: poster now appears. I don't recall whether it has been there all along. By the way, how are we paying his salary? Dave -- (setq mail '("tale@cs.rpi.edu" "tale@ai.mit.edu" "tale@rpitsmts.bitnet"))
bill@twwells.com (T. William Wells) (12/31/89)
In article <6977@tank.uchicago.edu> jill@tank.uchicago.edu (jill holly hansen) writes:
: It is interesting, isn't it, that the compiler of this waste of
: net resources doesn't list his name.
Enough!
The guy chose to not list his name because of complaints from
turkeys like yourself.
The whines about the report are far more objectionable than the
report could ever be. And, of course, said whines waste *far*
more bandwidth than the original posting.
Shut up and go away.
Followups have been directed to alt.flame
---
Bill { uunet | novavax | ankh | sunvice } !twwells!bill
bill@twwells.combrad@looking.on.ca (Brad Templeton) (12/31/89)
It's quite simple. Are a lot of people actually *using* these stats?
If there are a lot, then it may be worth posting them, although I
would suggest news.lists and not here. If there are not a lot, then
those few who are keen should just get the software.
The following program will process the newsgroups in the .newsrc and
write out a reference count for each message-id. It doesn't attach
subjects, but another simple program could do that. (An inefficient
2nd. newsclip pass could also do that.)
(The Newsclip compiler was posted recently to comp.sources.misc)
---------------------------cut here--------------------
database artids;
extern string array references;
procedure init()
{
artids = fresh_database( 10000 ); /* empty database */
}
procedure article()
{
int i;
/* for each id in References, increment ref count */
if( references != nilarray )
for( i = 0; i < count(references); i++ )
artids[references[i]]++;
}
procedure terminate()
{
write_database( artids, "/tmp/refcount", 0 );
}
--
Brad Templeton, ClariNet Communications Corp. -- Waterloo, Ontario 519/884-7473jill@tank.uchicago.edu (jill holly hansen) (01/02/90)
In article <1989Dec30.234712.23184@twwells.com> bill@twwells.com (T. William Wells) writes: :In article <6977@tank.uchicago.edu> jill@tank.uchicago.edu (jill holly hansen) writes: :: It is interesting, isn't it, that the compiler of this waste of :: net resources doesn't list his name. : :Enough! : :The guy chose to not list his name because of complaints from :turkeys like yourself. : :The whines about the report are far more objectionable than the :report could ever be. And, of course, said whines waste *far* :more bandwidth than the original posting. : :Shut up and go away. : :Followups have been directed to alt.flame : :--- :Bill { uunet | novavax | ankh | sunvice } !twwells!bill :bill@twwells.com Isn't it predictable how people with little to say always tell others to shut up? -- ========================== Jill Hansen Jill@tank.uchicago.edu
bill@twwells.com (T. William Wells) (01/02/90)
In article <6984@tank.uchicago.edu> jill@tank.uchicago.edu (jill holly hansen) writes: : In article <1989Dec30.234712.23184@twwells.com> bill@twwells.com (T. William Wells) writes: : :In article <6977@tank.uchicago.edu> jill@tank.uchicago.edu (jill holly hansen) writes: : :: It is interesting, isn't it, that the compiler of this waste of : :: net resources doesn't list his name. : : : :Enough! : : : :The guy chose to not list his name because of complaints from : :turkeys like yourself. : : : :The whines about the report are far more objectionable than the : :report could ever be. And, of course, said whines waste *far* : :more bandwidth than the original posting. : : : :Shut up and go away. : : : :Followups have been directed to alt.flame : : Isn't it predictable how people with little to say always : tell others to shut up? Well, I certainly have had more to say that is worthwhile to hear than you have. Let us compare the information in your response to my message with the information in mine. Yours was contentless; mine, at least, contributed two facts. But then again, you chose not to deal with those facts, but instead chose to respond with a sophomoric, and false, comment. We can see how much respect you have for facts. Your continuing complaining about that report is *worthless*. Moreoever, it is obvious that you are ignorant of basic net.knowledge: this is evident both from the content and style of your messages. Followups to this message have *also* been directed to alt.flame. Newbie, that's a hint: it means that continued discussion on this topic should not be continued in this newsgroup, as it has degenerated into what is essentially name calling. The only thing that would be appropriate for you to post further would be an apology to the person you causelessly maligned. --- Bill { uunet | novavax | ankh | sunvice } !twwells!bill bill@twwells.com
spt@waikato.ac.nz (Simon Travaglia) (01/10/90)
In article <HADXM@rpi.edu> tale@cs.rpi.edu (David C Lawrence) writes: >In <6872@tank.uchicago.edu> jill@tank.uchicago.edu (jill holly hansen): >> could someone please tell me what the value of this BIWEEKLY posting is? > >In article <4510@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt1342a@prism.gatech.EDU (LEDUC) writes: > >> Hey, _I_ like it. > >You're one of few; I think this is the first public posting I've seen In that case, make that one more. It is handy, and is probably worth more than most of the postings that go in. When you start deciding which postings are valid/appropriate/useful you start putting yourself up as the master moderator, which is a little unsound. Live and let live, it's as useful as you make it. -- ^^__/@@@@@\ +------------------------------------------------------------+ @OO@_@@@@@@@B- |Sheep rights and liberty!! Simon Travaglia, Waikato Uni, NZ| \/ \@@@@@/ |spt@truth.waikato.ac.nz- 130.217.64.3 +---------------------+ baa! || || |spt@grace.waikato.ac.nz- 130.217.64.32|Take it easy in there|
icsu6000@caesar (Jaye Mathisen) (01/12/90)
In article <1990Jan10.013903.22820@waikato.ac.nz> spt@waikato.ac.nz (Simon Travaglia) writes: >In article <HADXM@rpi.edu> tale@cs.rpi.edu (David C Lawrence) writes: >>In <6872@tank.uchicago.edu> jill@tank.uchicago.edu (jill holly hansen): >>> could someone please tell me what the value of this BIWEEKLY posting is? >>In article <4510@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt1342a@prism.gatech.EDU (LEDUC) writes: >>> Hey, _I_ like it. >>You're one of few; I think this is the first public posting I've seen >In that case, make that one more. It is handy, and is probably worth Add one more person to the list. I think it's interesting. I only hope that discussion of 'Articles ...' makes it on is own list. -- +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Jaye Mathisen,systems manager Internet: icsu6000@caesar.cs.montana.edu| | 410 Roberts Hall BITNET: icsu6000@mtsunix1.bitnet | | Dept. of Computer Science |
news@elsie.UUCP (news) (02/04/90)
Here are ranks, counts, and Message-IDs (and subjects, authors,
and newsgroups if available) of the articles that appeared
most often in comp.all References: lines
in articles received here over the last 7 days.
The References: of each article are counted once,
no matter how many groups the article was cross-posted in.
Rank Count ID
1 47 <5940014@hpcupt1.HP.COM>
Subject: Does time() honor leap seconds?
From: swh@hpcupt1.HP.COM (Steve Harrold)
Newgroups: comp.lang.c
2 33 <Jan.24.10.40.15.1990.15842@police.rutgers.edu>
Subject: #define OR ||
From: andrewsr@police.rutgers.edu (Richard L Andrews)
Newgroups: comp.lang.c
3 33 <111@melpar.UUCP>
Subject: RISC Machine Data Structure Word Alignment Problems?
From: toppin@melpar.UUCP (Doug Toppin X2075)
Newgroups: comp.arch,comp.lang.c
4 32 <1922@gmdzi.UUCP>
Subject: Re: #define OR ||
From: wittig@gmdzi.UUCP (Georg Wittig)
Newgroups: comp.lang.c
5 23 <33889@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU>
Subject: Re: #define OR ||
From: jwl@ernie.Berkeley.EDU (James Wilbur Lewis)
Newgroups: comp.lang.c
6 22 <7598@hubcap.clemson.edu>
Subject: Reasons why you don't prove your programs are correct
From: steve@hubcap.clemson.edu ("Steve" Stevenson)
Newgroups: sci.philosophy.tech,sci.physics,talk.philosophy.misc,comp.software-eng
7 19 <7334@tank.uchicago.edu>
Subject: A call for "3D look" (a la Next) interface guidelines from Apple
From: gft_robert@gsbacd.uchicago.edu
Newgroups: comp.sys.mac.programmer,comp.sys.mac
8 19 <3277@accuvax.nwu.edu>
Subject: FUNCALL question
From: krulwich@ils.nwu.edu (Bruce Krulwich)
Newgroups: comp.lang.lisp
9 18 <9630012@hpirs.HP.COM>
10 17 <2625@cunixc.cc.columbia.edu>ray@philmtl.philips.ca (Ray Dunn) (02/06/90)
In referenced article, news@elsie.UUCP (news) writes: >..... > 8 19 <3277@accuvax.nwu.edu> > Subject: FUNCALL question > From: krulwich@ils.nwu.edu (Bruce Krulwich) > Newgroups: comp.lang.lisp > > 9 18 <9630012@hpirs.HP.COM> > > 10 17 <2625@cunixc.cc.columbia.edu> I'm still struggling to find much value in any of these postings, except that they give some vague idea of popular topics under discussion. In the meantime I continue to be intrigued by how any mechanism used to generate this stuff could fail to at least produce a Newsgroups and/or Subject line for an entry. Is there *any* value without it? -- Ray Dunn. | UUCP: ray@philmtl.philips.ca Philips Electronics Ltd. | ..!{uunet|philapd|philabs}!philmtl!ray 600 Dr Frederik Philips Blvd | TEL : (514) 744-8200 Ext : 2347 (Phonemail) St Laurent. Quebec. H4M 2S9 | FAX : (514) 744-6455 TLX : 05-824090
tale@cs.rpi.edu (David C Lawrence) (02/07/90)
In article <994@philmtl.philips.ca> ray@philmtl.philips.ca (Ray Dunn) writes: > I'm still struggling to find much value in any of these postings, except > that they give some vague idea of popular topics under discussion. Even that "except" is pretty bogus. I noticed this in the last stats: ] Rank Count ID ] 1 47 <5940014@hpcupt1.HP.COM> ] Subject: Does time() honor leap seconds? ] From: swh@hpcupt1.HP.COM (Steve Harrold) ] Newgroups: comp.lang.c So I thought, "Wow! Something useful from these stats!" I went right on over to see the flood of information that was being posted with regard to leap seconds. What a crock _that_ was! There was no flood of information. In fact, only seven of the articles which referenced that message id had anything to do with time() and leap seconds. The vast majority of the messages which had that that id were about the idiotic "#define OR ||" debate. This seems to be tracable to one individual who posted a reply to the time() question which had nothing to do with it. Such a waste of time. Pah. Dave -- (setq mail '("tale@cs.rpi.edu" "tale@ai.mit.edu" "tale@rpitsmts.bitnet")) "Nice plant. Looks like a table cloth."
ray@philmtl.philips.ca (Ray Dunn) (02/09/90)
In referenced article, I asked: >In the meantime I continue to be intrigued by how any mechanism used to >generate this stuff could fail to at least produce a Newsgroups and/or >Subject line for an entry. Several people pointed out that this was due to the referenced article already having been expired. I'm still intrigued!! It's clear how to be simply minded and *not* generate the information, but with all the references, *something* is known about the subject matter isn't it, it's know which newsgroups they are in, isn't it? >Is there *any* value without it? The concensus was, "not much". Finally, as a list, it firmly belongs in news.lists. Let it be buried there!! -- Ray Dunn. | UUCP: ray@philmtl.philips.ca Philips Electronics Ltd. | ..!{uunet|philapd|philabs}!philmtl!ray 600 Dr Frederik Philips Blvd | TEL : (514) 744-8200 Ext : 2347 (Phonemail) St Laurent. Quebec. H4M 2S9 | FAX : (514) 744-6455 TLX : 05-824090
news@elsie.UUCP (news) (02/11/90)
Here are ranks, counts, and Message-IDs (and subjects, authors,
and newsgroups if available) of the articles that appeared
most often in comp.all References: lines
in articles received here over the last 7 days.
The References: of each article are counted once,
no matter how many groups the article was cross-posted in.
Rank Count ID
1 33 <8859@portia.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: Next computer (Re: CISC Silent Spring)
From: underdog@portia.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Newgroups: comp.arch
2 21 <126900165@p.cs.uiuc.edu>
Subject: Low-Cost Macintosh
From: gillies@p.cs.uiuc.edu
Newgroups: comp.sys.mac
3 19 <8905@portia.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: Re: Next computer (Re: CISC Silent Spring)
From: underdog@portia.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Newgroups: comp.arch
4 19 <3300098@m.cs.uiuc.edu>
Subject: CISC Silent Spring
From: gillies@m.cs.uiuc.edu
Newgroups: comp.arch
5 18 <20571@watdragon.waterloo.edu>
Subject: Re: Next computer (Re: CISC Silent Spring)
From: ccplumb@lion.waterloo.edu (Colin Plumb)
Newgroups: comp.arch
6 17 <749@npiatl.UUCP>
Subject: New product?
From: dkelly@npiatl.UUCP (Dwight Kelly)
Newgroups: comp.unix.aix,comp.unix.questions
7 16 <49956@sgi.sgi.com>
Subject: Re: Next computer (Re: CISC Silent Spring)
From: daveh@xtenk.sgi.com (David A Higgen)
Newgroups: comp.arch
8 16 <4791@helios.ee.lbl.gov>
Subject: Re: Next computer (Re: CISC Silent Spring)
From: antony@lbl-csam.arpa (Antony A. Courtney)
Newgroups: comp.arch
9 15 <771@sce.carleton.ca>
Subject: Re: CISC Silent Spring
From: greg@sce.carleton.ca (Greg Franks)
Newgroups: comp.arch
10 15 <17807@rpp386.cactus.org>
Subject: Re: Postscript idiot needs help
From: woody@rpp386.cactus.org (Woodrow Baker)
Newgroups: comp.lang.postscriptnews@elsie.UUCP (news) (02/18/90)
Here are ranks, counts, and Message-IDs (and subjects, authors,
and newsgroups if available) of the articles that appeared
most often in comp.all References: lines
in articles received here over the last 7 days.
The References: of each article are counted once,
no matter how many groups the article was cross-posted in.
Rank Count ID
1 63 <8859@portia.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: Next computer (Re: CISC Silent Spring)
From: underdog@portia.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Newgroups: comp.arch
2 52 <1513@krafla.rhi.hi.is>
Subject: xx vs. uu
From: frisk@rhi.hi.is (Fridrik Skulason)
Newgroups: comp.binaries.ibm.pc.d
3 43 <9708@spool.cs.wisc.edu>
Subject: 64-bit addresses
From: shekita@provolone.cs.wisc.edu (E Shekita)
Newgroups: comp.arch
4 38 <20571@watdragon.waterloo.edu>
Subject: Re: Next computer (Re: CISC Silent Spring)
From: ccplumb@lion.waterloo.edu (Colin Plumb)
Newgroups: comp.arch
5 32 <20270@cfctech.cfc.com>
Subject: Re: 64-bit addresses
From: joel@cfctech.cfc.com (Joel Lessenberry)
Newgroups: comp.arch
6 27 <11112@encore.Encore.COM>
Subject: Re: 64-bit addresses
From: jkenton@pinocchio.Encore.COM (Jeff Kenton)
Newgroups: comp.arch
7 22 <13946@s.ms.uky.edu>
Subject: Re: Paying for Shareware (Was: Re: v09i070: newsclip 1.1...)
From: sean@ms.uky.edu (Sean Casey)
Newgroups: comp.sources.d
8 22 <1212@utoday.UUCP>
Subject: Re: Paying for Shareware (Was: Re: v09i070: newsclip 1.1...)
From: greenber@utoday.UUCP (Ross M. Greenberg)
Newgroups: comp.sources.d
9 22 <1201@utoday.UUCP>
Subject: Re: Paying for Shareware (Was: Re: v09i070: newsclip 1.1...)
From: greenber@utoday.UUCP (Ross M. Greenberg)
Newgroups: comp.sources.d
10 21 <WAYNE.90Feb11165528@dsndata.uucp>
Subject: Re: 64-bit addresses
From: wayne@dsndata.uucp (Wayne Schlitt)
Newgroups: comp.archnews@elsie.UUCP (news) (02/25/90)
Here are ranks, counts, and Message-IDs (and subjects, authors,
and newsgroups if available) of the articles that appeared
most often in comp.all References: lines
in articles received here over the last 7 days.
The References: of each article are counted once,
no matter how many groups the article was cross-posted in.
Rank Count ID
1 52 <4115@ibmpa.UUCP>
Subject: Risc System/6000
From: ericm@ibmpa
Newgroups: comp.unix.aix,comp.sys.ibm.pc.rt
2 44 <10307@hoptoad.uucp>
Subject: Re: Risc System/6000
From: gnu@hoptoad.uucp (John Gilmore)
Newgroups: comp.unix.aix,comp.sys.ibm.pc.rt
3 34 <22569:05:10:24@stealth.acf.nyu.edu>
Subject: Anyone want to design a language?
From: brnstnd@stealth.acf.nyu.edu
Newgroups: comp.lang.misc
4 31 <9708@spool.cs.wisc.edu>
Subject: 64-bit addresses
From: shekita@provolone.cs.wisc.edu (E Shekita)
Newgroups: comp.arch
5 26 <20270@cfctech.cfc.com>
Subject: Re: 64-bit addresses
From: joel@cfctech.cfc.com (Joel Lessenberry)
Newgroups: comp.arch
6 18 <5098@brazos.Rice.edu>
Subject: Re: Risc System/6000
From: schafer@brazos.rice.edu (Richard A. Schafer)
Newgroups: comp.unix.aix,comp.sys.ibm.pc.rt
7 18 <1513@krafla.rhi.hi.is>
Subject: xx vs. uu
From: frisk@rhi.hi.is (Fridrik Skulason)
Newgroups: comp.binaries.ibm.pc.d
8 17 <8475@wpi.wpi.edu>
Subject: Re: Anyone want to design a language?
From: jhallen@wpi.wpi.edu (Joseph H Allen)
Newgroups: comp.lang.misc
9 16 <2761@bacchus.dec.com>
Subject: Re: Bitmap of PostScript code..
From: kent@wsl.dec.com (Christopher A. Kent)
Newgroups: comp.lang.postscript
10 16 <236100027@prism>
Subject: Why nested comments not allowed?
From: ly@prism.TMC.COM
Newgroups: comp.lang.c