[news.admin] Help! Losing my USENET access. . .

cliff@rlgvax.UUCP (Cliff Joslyn) (08/21/87)

I'm sending this to various newsgroups as I'm looking for information which
is probably widely distributed.

I will soon be moving to Binghamton NY to attend SUNY grad school.  Their
computer center supports BITNET and CSNET, and they have a UN*X mahcine,
but are currently not supporting UUCP.  I'm an experienced C/UN*X programmer,
but a novice to the black arts of UUCP, and am wondering what the best
method is for me to maintain my USENET access, both mail and news.  I
thought I'd drivel on here about my thoughts on the matter.

I own a PC w/a modem, so I suppose I could grab the recent MSDOS UUCP
posting in comp.sources.misc and try to do it myself.  I suppose this
would take a bit of hacking and heartache.  Where else is this code
distributed, which version is best? Could I send news/mail this way?
Also, could I grab UUSLAVE, and is that read-only? Anyway, I assume my
costs would be lessened if I were to find a friendly UUCP site within a
local call and arrange for them to feed me news? How would I go about
finding one? How does all that work anyway?

Alternatively, I've heard of public access USENET in Cleveland, and uunet. 
Am I correct that I could get news without special software from them,
although at a cost?

Also, I'm aware that there are BITNET/UUCP gateways, but I assume that only
supports mail, not news.  Is there anyway to feed news through those
gateways?

Or, as I soon hope to establish friendly relations w/Cornell CS, perhaps I
could gain a login on some Cornell UUCP machine, and make the intermediate
distance call?

Finally, I suppose I could cajole the SUNY computer center into
supporting UUCP, but I assume that would be a major effort for them, and
presumably I'd end up as sysadmin, and there's more hacking and pain. 
How would I go about doing this?

Any help would be appreciated, including addresses and numbers of those
more in the know, or who might be able to help me.

Thanks a lot.

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ehrlich@psuvax1.psu.edu (Dan Ehrlich) (08/21/87)

In article <624@rlgvax.UUCP> cliff@rlgvax.UUCP (Cliff Joslyn) writes:
>...
>Also, I'm aware that there are BITNET/UUCP gateways, but I assume that only
>supports mail, not news.  Is there anyway to feed news through those
>gateways?

The host psuvax1 is a UUCP <-> BITNET gateway.  We gateway both mail
and NEWS.  Actually we send the news to PSUVM and that host
redistributes it out on the BITNET.  I am not familiar with the
software that is running on PSUVM, but you might try contacting Bill
Verity <WHV@PSUVM.BITNET> at the PSU Computer Center.  Bill is the keeper
of news on PSUVM.

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333 Whitmore Laboratory, University Park, PA   16802
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david@ms.uky.edu (David Herron -- Resident E-mail Hack) (08/22/87)

In article <624@rlgvax.UUCP> cliff@rlgvax.UUCP (Cliff Joslyn) writes:
>
>Also, I'm aware that there are BITNET/UUCP gateways, but I assume that only
>supports mail, not news.  Is there anyway to feed news through those
>gateways?

You can do news across BITNET ... I've been exchanging news with an
IBM mainframe (not running any sort of Unix on it either ... REALLY!)
in one case and a "pure" Vax cluster running "pure" VMS in another
case.  I've been doing this for a couple of years now.  The main trick
is to (if you can at all possibly arrange it) use some sort of encoding 
between the machines because UREP (and possibly other software on
BITNET) munges certain kinds of characters.  I've used compressed
atob'd batches without too much problem for a long time.  'twont 
work if your neighbor is an IBM machine, but hey ... BITNET is cheaper
than long distance phone calls.

I think SUNY is on the "wrong" side of the CUNYVM-PSUVM link
for us to be able to feed you from here.


>Finally, I suppose I could cajole the SUNY computer center into
>supporting UUCP, but I assume that would be a major effort for them, and
>presumably I'd end up as sysadmin, and there's more hacking and pain. 
>How would I go about doing this?

You said they have a Unix machine ... all it takes is for them to
read some manuals and understand how UUCP works.  That's not terribly
hard to do ... Especially since they could take one of these PD UUCP
clones and hand that out to people to use on their home PC's ... :-)

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-----                            {uunet,cbosgd}!ukma!david, david@UKMA.BITNET
----- 
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karl@grebyn.COM (Karl A. Nyberg) (08/23/87)

In article <624@rlgvax.UUCP>, cliff@rlgvax.UUCP (Cliff Joslyn) writes:

> but a novice to the black arts of UUCP, and am wondering what the best
> method is for me to maintain my USENET access, both mail and news.  I
> thought I'd drivel on here about my thoughts on the matter.

> Alternatively, I've heard of public access USENET in Cleveland, and uunet. 
> Am I correct that I could get news without special software from them,

> Any help would be appreciated, including addresses and numbers of those
> more in the know, or who might be able to help me.

[Put on asbestos suit... SOMEBODY will call this crass commercialism...
Note - no smiley.]

Grebyn Corporation (that's more or less me at the moment) offers USENET
access along with timesharing services with VAX/ULTRIX.  Multiple (3 at the
moment) 2400 baud phone lines; 24 hour per day availability; mucho disk
space (~600MB); most newsgroups (we don't get alt.* yet - anybody?);
available through the PC Pursuit network (under 202, while it's still
cheap); plenty of memory for any software development (10MB); GNU Emacs; 3 C
compilers (pcc, vcc, gcc); and special for the folks who don't believe in
Ada on UNIX, the Verdix Ada Development System - VADS.  Kermit sources, the
IBM PC Free Library, and other random sources.

$25/month gets you 10 hours Connect, 1 hour CPU, and 1/2 MB disk quota.
Kermit, xmodem, etc. available for up- and down-loading files.

For more information:

	Karl A. Nyberg
	Grebyn Corporation
	P. O. Box 1144
	Vienna, VA 22180
	703-281-2194

official internet	karl@grebyn.com (aka karl%grebyn.com@seismo.css.gov)
unofficial (faster)	grebyn!karl@umd5.umd.edu
uucp			{decuac,seismo,umd5,vrdxhq}!nam)
>| )
>|

allbery@ncoast.UUCP (Brandon Allbery) (08/25/87)

As quoted from <624@rlgvax.UUCP> by cliff@rlgvax.UUCP (Cliff Joslyn):
+---------------
| I own a PC w/a modem, so I suppose I could grab the recent MSDOS UUCP
| posting in comp.sources.misc and try to do it myself.  I suppose this
| would take a bit of hacking and heartache.  Where else is this code
| distributed, which version is best? Could I send news/mail this way?
| Also, could I grab UUSLAVE, and is that read-only? Anyway, I assume my
| costs would be lessened if I were to find a friendly UUCP site within a
| local call and arrange for them to feed me news? How would I go about
| finding one? How does all that work anyway?
+---------------

UUPC sources are in comp.sources.misc; a uuencoded binary is in comp.binaries.
ibm.pc now.

+---------------
| Alternatively, I've heard of public access USENET in Cleveland, and uunet. 
| Am I correct that I could get news without special software from them,
| although at a cost?
+---------------

If you're going to be in NY, try "crdos1", which is also public access UNIX.
We feed news to them and you can send mail through us if you can't find
another path.  (BTW, thanks for the plug!  ;-)

UUNET is probably not worth the money; it's cost-effective for the larger
sites, but ncoast would pay more than it does now!  (Apologies to rick@uunet,
but finances are real.)
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jons@islenet.UUCP (Jonathan Spangler) (08/28/87)

In article <4719@grebyn.COM> karl@grebyn.COM (Karl A. Nyberg) writes:
>In article <624@rlgvax.UUCP>, cliff@rlgvax.UUCP (Cliff Joslyn) writes:
>
>
>> Alternatively, I've heard of public access USENET in Cleveland, and uunet. 
>> more in the know, or who might be able to help me.
>
>Grebyn Corporation (that's more or less me at the moment) offers USENET
>access along with timesharing services with VAX/ULTRIX.  Multiple (3 at the

Along this same line, I have a friend at UH Manoa who is graduating and will
lose his USENET access as well. He is moving to Calif. Could some kind soul
please list public access USENET nodes in both NoCal and SoCal?

Much obliged,



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