news@jpusa1.UUCP (usenet) (12/02/87)
In article <8711241022.AA12529@RUTGERS.EDU> pleasant@rutgers.edu (Mel Pleasant) writes:
-If you've been looking for that reason to upgrade your news system, here it
-is!! Not with this upcoming posting, but with all others you'll need to be
-up to version 2.11 patch #10 of the netnews system which added support for
-the Supercedes: header. The latest patch, 2.11 patch #13, has just been
-released and posted to the newsgroup news.software.b.
-Updates will be posted with a Supercedes:
-header. If you're not using a relatively recent version of netnews, your
-free disk space will evaporate because there will be several slightly
-different copies of the same files on your disk. UPDATE NOW!!!!
Does anyone know whether uuhosts -unbatch will still work? I'm a bit
worried about jumping up to patch #13 (we're stable at #8) and would
like some breathing time to see if #13 is stable. If uuhosts will
continue to work, it can deal with the additional articles (I have it
set up to delete the article after extracting the map). If not, I've
got double trouble...
-
Stu Heiss {gargoyle,ihnp4}!jpusa1!stupleasant@rutgers.rutgers.edu (Mel Pleasant) (12/02/87)
> Does anyone know whether uuhosts -unbatch will still work?
uuhosts should still work as always. The only difference in the
individual articles is that each will contain only one map file.
--
-Mel Pleasant
uucp: {ames, cbosgd, harvard, moss, seismo}!rutgers.edu!pleasant
arpa: PLEASANT@RUTGERS.EDUkarl@mumble.cis.ohio-state.edu (Karl Kleinpaste) (12/02/87)
news@jpusa1.UUCP writes:
I'm a bit
worried about jumping up to patch #13 (we're stable at #8) and would
like some breathing time to see if #13 is stable.
We were discussing getting ourselves up to #12 a week or so ago, but
there was concern expressed about the stability at that level. I
dropped Rick Adams a short note asking about it (since 9 req'd 10, 10
broke sendbatch, 11 fixed sendbatch and broke expire, 12 fixed
expire), and he responded very quickly to say that #12 leaves you with
a stable system. #13 may have problems, but you should be OK at #12.
-=-
Karlmcb@lll-tis.arpa (Michael Berch) (12/10/87)
In article <8711241022.AA12529@RUTGERS.EDU> pleasant@rutgers.edu (Mel Pleasant) writes: > . . . > * * * N E T N E W S * * * > > If you've been looking for that reason to upgrade your news system, here it > is!! Not with this upcoming posting, but with all others you'll need to be > up to version 2.11 patch #10 of the netnews system which added support for > the Supercedes: header. The latest patch, 2.11 patch #13, has just been ^^^^^^^^^^ > released and posted to the newsgroup news.software.b. > [...] Updates [to the map] will be posted with a Supercedes: header. ^^^^^^^^^^ Actually, that's the "Supersedes:" header, not the "Supercedes:" header. "Supersedes:" is correct, and the spelling error is in the article, not the software. I generally avoid spelling flames on the net, but I hope that the map data will have the proper (non-misspelled) header, and that others who use the Supersedes: header take care that they do not misspell it as well. Michael C. Berch ARPA: mcb@lll-tis.arpa (soon: mcb@tis.llnl.gov) UUCP: {ames,ihnp4,lll-crg,lll-lcc,mordor}!lll-tis!mcb
IRWIN@pucc.Princeton.EDU (Irwin Tillman) (12/10/87)
This mention of the 'Supersedes' header reminds me that a formal
specification of this header has not yet appeared. Can anyone give
me an "official" spec for it? I maintain a vm/cms implementation of
news, and need this info to add proper support for this header.
It is certainly clear to me the way the header works, but there
are some unanswered questions...for example, can ANYONE issue
one of these (not just the author of the original article)? Since
this does not appear to be a control message, does it need an 'Approved'
header? Can you include a 'Supersedes' header on a control message...
if so, what does it mean if that control message is a 'cancel',
'newgroup'.... You get the idea.
Irwin Tillman BITNET: IRWIN@PUCC
Princeton University UUCP: {allegra,ihnp4,cbosgd}!psuvax1!PUCC.BITNET!IRWINsunny@hoptoad.uucp (Sunny Kirsten) (12/14/87)
My dictionary shows that superCedes and superSedes are aliases for
each other. Since this is typical of english, it will be typical
of those who speak english. In acknowledgment of actual usage,
the software ought to accept BOTH spellings. The computer should
adapt to the nature of humans.
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USENET: {ihnp4,lll-crg,nsc,ptsfa,ucsfcgl,frog,sun,well}!hoptoad!astral!sunnycampbell@maynard.BSW.COM (Larry Campbell) (12/15/87)
In article <3622@hoptoad.uucp> sunny@hoptoad.UUCP (Sunny Kirsten) writes:
<>My dictionary shows that superCedes and superSedes are aliases for
<>each other.
You should get a new dictionary. There is no `c' in supersede.
The word comes from the Latin verb `supersedere', "to sit above",
from `super-' "above" and `sedere' "to sit" (whence also comes
`sedentary'). People who spell supersede with `c' are probably
victims of what is known as "folk etymology" -- confusing the root
for supersede with the root for intercede (which root is `cedere',
"to go").
<> Since this is typical of english, it will be typical
<>of those who speak english. In acknowledgment of actual usage,
<>the software ought to accept BOTH spellings. The computer should
<>adapt to the nature of humans.
If you mean it's typical that English speakers don't know how to spell
their own language, yes, this is true, but it is also unfortunate and
not be encouraged. (Apology to British readers -- I suspect most of the
violence to English is done by Americans.)
If people are confusing the words `cedere' and `sedere', the proper
solution is not to wish their ignorance out of existence by declaring
that the words are identical -- which would be a lie -- but to point
out the distinction to them, enriching them thereby.
--
Larry Campbell The Boston Software Works, Inc.
Internet: campbell@maynard.bsw.com 120 Fulton Street, Boston MA 02109
uucp: {husc6,mirror,think}!maynard!campbell +1 617 367 6846rick@pcrat.UUCP (Rick Richardson) (12/16/87)
In article <1034@maynard.BSW.COM> campbell@maynard.UUCP (Larry Campbell) writes: >In article <3622@hoptoad.uucp> sunny@hoptoad.UUCP (Sunny Kirsten) writes: ><>My dictionary shows that superCedes and superSedes are aliases for ><>each other. > >You should get a new dictionary. There is no `c' in supersede. Since I'd always spelled it 'supercedes', I checked the Webster's 9th New Collegiate. It's in there as var of supersedes. It's too late to change the language, Larry ... better change the software. -- Rick Richardson, President, PC Research, Inc. (201) 542-3734 (voice, nights) OR (201) 834-1378 (voice, days) seismo!uunet!pcrat!rick
david@ms.uky.edu (David Herron -- Resident E-mail Hack) (12/19/87)
In article <1034@maynard.BSW.COM> campbell@maynard.UUCP (Larry Campbell) writes: >In article <3622@hoptoad.uucp> sunny@hoptoad.UUCP (Sunny Kirsten) writes: ><>My dictionary shows that superCedes and superSedes are aliases for ><>each other. >You should get a new dictionary. There is no `c' in supersede. >The word comes from the Latin verb `supersedere', "to sit above", >from `super-' "above" and `sedere' "to sit" (whence also comes >`sedentary'). Oh, puhlease ... quit being a prescriptionist! ><> Since this is typical of english, it will be typical ><>of those who speak english. In acknowledgment of actual usage, ><>the software ought to accept BOTH spellings. The computer should ><>adapt to the nature of humans. >If you mean it's typical that English speakers don't know how to spell >their own language, yes, this is true, but it is also unfortunate and >not be encouraged. (Apology to British readers -- I suspect most of the >violence to English is done by Americans.) Now this is pigheadedness ... I dare say that Britisher's mangle their language just as badly as we mangle ours. It is the nature of language to change, it's just that changes take so long to work themselves out that most people just don't see it. >If people are confusing the words `cedere' and `sedere', the proper >solution is not to wish their ignorance out of existence by declaring >that the words are identical -- which would be a lie -- but to point >out the distinction to them, enriching them thereby. A "mistake" like the one you are describing is a very common one to make when languages import words from other languages. Basically it's an overgeneralization ... tho not the form of overgeneralization which they taught me in Linguistics where a kid starts calling all small furry animals "kitty!". Now, tell me something. Why is it unfortunate that languages change? Where would we be if English had been frozen a couple of hundred years ago when there were no words for this thing sitting on my desk, the thing it's connected to, various of the chips and such inside the terminal and the computer and so on. Reminds me of a word from Coeur D'Alene (a (I think) Indian language from the pacific northwest) they have for dogs. I saw the phonetic transcription in my phonology book ... it was reeeaaall long ... the translation they gave was something along the lines of small furry animal with wrinkles on the pads of it's feet Why can't they just call the d*mn thing a dog and be done with! -- <---- David Herron -- The E-Mail guy <david@ms.uky.edu> <---- or: {rutgers,uunet,cbosgd}!ukma!david, david@UKMA.BITNET <---- <---- Winter health warning: Remember, don't eat the yellow snow! -- <---- David Herron -- The E-Mail guy <david@ms.uky.edu> <---- or: {rutgers,uunet,cbosgd}!ukma!david, david@UKMA.BITNET <---- <---- Winter health warning: Remember, don't eat the yellow snow!
campbell@maynard.BSW.COM (Larry Campbell) (12/20/87)
In article <7896@e.ms.uky.edu> david@ms.uky.edu (David Herron -- Resident
E-mail Hack) responds to my "supersede does not contain the letter `c'"
flame, saying:
<>Now, tell me something. Why is it unfortunate that languages change?
<>
<>Where would we be if English had been frozen a couple of hundred years
<>ago when there were no words for this thing sitting on my desk, the
<>thing it's connected to, various of the chips and such inside the
<>terminal and the computer and so on...
I'm not arguing that it's unfortunate languages change. I'm not
arguing against adding new words to the language, nor against dropping
obsolete words from the language. I *am* arguing against misspelling
words in a way that obscures their etymology. The history of our
language is fascinating and instructive. Knowing the etymology of the
words one uses improves one's understanding and usage of the language.
Obscuring the etymology of a word by carelessly misspelling it certainly
is not a capital offense, but neither is it to be encouraged.
Several people claimed that since Webster's dictionary includes the `c'
spelling of "supersede", it's correct. My American Heritage dictionary
doesn't even include the `c' spelling as a variant. But that's beside
the point. Just because something is in the dictionary doesn't mean
it's correct, or desirable. The word "ain't" is in most dictionaries,
and is clearly part of the English language, but few would argue that
it is proper to use the word in educated discourse.
I think we've strayed pretty far from the stated subject area for news.admin.
Anyone wishing to debate spelling etiquette with me (I love to flame on it)
is invited to do so by email.
--
Larry Campbell The Boston Software Works, Inc.
Internet: campbell@maynard.bsw.com 120 Fulton Street, Boston MA 02109
uucp: {husc6,mirror,think}!maynard!campbell +1 617 367 6846