dik@cwi.nl (Dik T. Winter) (05/09/88)
(The subject is quite apt.) We (and probably everybody) received a number of articles in comp.mail.headers a number of times. The base article came here with the following paths in the headers (split across lines for your edification): 1. > Path: mcvax!uunet!husc6!bloom-beacon!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!osu-cis!n8emr!lwv 2. > Path: mcvax!uunet!husc6!mailrus!nrl-cmf!cmcl2!brl-adm!adm!osu-cis!n8emr! > lwv@TUT.CIS.OHIO-STATE.EDU 3. > Path: mcvax!uunet!husc6!mailrus!nrl-cmf!cmcl2!brl-adm!adm!adm!osu-cis!n8emr! > lwv%TUT.CIS.OHIO-STATE.EDU@brl-adm.arpa 4. > Path: mcvax!uunet!lll-winken!lll-tis!ames!nrl-cmf!cmcl2!brl-adm!adm!adm!adm! > osu-cis!n8emr!lwv%TUT.CIS.OHIO-STATE.EDU%brl-adm.arpa@brl-adm.arpa 5. > Path: mcvax!uunet!husc6!cmcl2!brl-adm!adm!adm!adm!adm!osu-cis!n8emr! > lwv%TUT.CIS.OHIO-STATE.EDU%brl-adm.arpa%brl-adm.arpa@brl-adm.arpa 6. > Path: mcvax!uunet!husc6!cmcl2!brl-adm!adm!adm!adm!adm!adm!osu-cis!n8emr! > lwv%TUT.CIS.OHIO-STATE.EDU%brl-adm.arpa%brl-adm.arpa%brl-adm.arpa@ > brl-adm.arpa 7. > Path: mcvax!uunet!husc6!cmcl2!brl-adm!adm!adm!adm!adm!adm!adm!osu-cis!n8emr! > lwv%TUT.CIS.OHIO-STATE.EDU%brl-adm.arpa%brl-adm.arpa%brl-adm.arpa% > brl-adm.arpa@brl-adm.arpa 8. > Path: mcvax!uunet!husc6!cmcl2!brl-adm!adm!adm!adm!adm!adm!adm!adm!osu-cis! > n8emr!lwv%TUT.CIS.OHIO-STATE.EDU%brl-adm.arpa%brl-adm.arpa% > brl-adm.arpa%brl-adm.arpa%brl-adm.arpa@brl-adm.arpa 9. > Path: mcvax!uunet!husc6!cmcl2!brl-adm!adm!adm!adm!adm!adm!adm!adm!adm! > osu-cis!n8emr!lwv%TUT.CIS.OHIO-STATE.EDU%brl-adm.arpa%brl-adm.arpa% > brl-adm.arpa%brl-adm.arpa%brl-adm.arpa%brl-adm.arpa@brl-adm.arpa 10. > Path: mcvax!uunet!husc6!cmcl2!brl-adm!adm!adm!adm!adm!adm!adm!adm!adm!adm! > osu-cis!n8emr!lwv%TUT.CIS.OHIO-STATE.EDU%brl-adm.arpa%brl-adm.arpa% > brl-adm.arpa%brl-adm.arpa%brl-adm.arpa%brl-adm.arpa%brl-adm.arpa@ > brl-adm.arpa 11. > Path: mcvax!uunet!husc6!cmcl2!brl-adm!adm!adm!adm!adm!adm!adm!adm!adm!adm! > adm!osu-cis!n8emr!lwv%TUT.CIS.OHIO-STATE.EDU%brl-adm.arpa%brl-adm.arpa% > brl-adm.arpa%brl-adm.arpa%brl-adm.arpa%brl-adm.arpa%brl-adm.arpa% > brl-adm.arpa@brl-adm (Where is the final .arpa? I cannot reply to this!) 12. > Path: mcvax!uunet!husc6!cmcl2!brl-adm!adm!adm!adm!adm!adm!adm!adm!adm!adm! > adm!adm!osu-cis!n8emr!lwv%TUT.CIS.OHIO-STATE.EDU%brl-adm.arpa% > brl-adm.arpa%brl-adm.arpa%brl-adm.arpa%brl-adm.arpa%brl-adm.arpa% > brl-adm.arpa%brl-adm.arpa%@BRL.ARPA (A subtle variation.) It is getting a bit repetitious, and not only in the header. Without evidence to the contrary, I believe there is a problem at brl-adm. Of course, the followup has undergone the same massaging, but the subject changed too: 1. > Subject: \"forwarded mail format\" > Path: mcvax!uunet!lll-winken!lll-tis!ames!nrl-cmf!cmcl2!brl-adm!adm! > jsol@bu-it.bu.edu 2. > Subject: \\"forwarded mail format\\" > Path: mcvax!uunet!husc6!cmcl2!brl-adm!adm!adm!jsol%bu-it.bu.edu@brl-adm.arpa 3. > Subject: \\\"forwarded mail format\\\" > Path: mcvax!uunet!husc6!cmcl2!brl-adm!adm!adm!adm!jsol%bu-it.bu.edu% > brl-adm.arpa@brl-adm.arpa 4. > Subject: \\\\"forwarded mail format\\\\" > Path: mcvax!uunet!husc6!cmcl2!brl-adm!adm!adm!adm!adm!jsol%bu-it.bu.edu% > brl-adm.arpa%brl-adm.arpa@brl-adm.arpa 5. > Subject: \\\\\"forwarded mail format\\\\\" > Path: mcvax!uunet!husc6!cmcl2!brl-adm!adm!adm!adm!adm!adm!jsol%bu-it.bu.edu% > brl-adm.arpa%brl-adm.arpa%brl-adm.arpa@brl-adm.arpa 6. > Subject: \\\\\\"forwarded mail format\\\\\\" > Path: mcvax!uunet!husc6!mailrus!nrl-cmf!cmcl2!brl-adm!adm!adm!adm!adm!adm! > adm!jsol%bu-it.bu.edu%brl-adm.arpa%brl-adm.arpa%brl-adm.arpa% > brl-adm.arpa@brl-adm.arpa 7. > Subject: \\\\\\\"forwarded mail format\\\\\\\" > Path: mcvax!uunet!husc6!cmcl2!brl-adm!adm!adm!adm!adm!adm!adm!adm! > jsol%bu-it.bu.edu%brl-adm.arpa%brl-adm.arpa%brl-adm.arpa%brl-adm.arpa% > brl-adm.arpa@brl-adm.arpa 8. > Subject: \\\\\\\\"forwarded mail format\\\\\\\\" > Path: mcvax!uunet!husc6!cmcl2!nrl-cmf!ames!umd5!brl-adm!adm!adm!adm!adm!adm! > adm!adm!adm!jsol%bu-it.bu.edu%brl-adm.arpa%brl-adm.arpa%brl-adm.arpa% > brl-adm.arpa%brl-adm.arpa%brl-adm.arpa@brl-adm.arpa Until now we got only 8 of those; still more to come I believe. Of course, this was not all; there was the standard message from some postmaster who couldn't deliver his stuff and replied to the mailing list. This one starts just drippling in; we only got 2: 1. > Subject: [postmaster@utadnx.cc.utexas.edu: Mail Delivery Problem] > Path: mcvax!uunet!husc6!cmcl2!brl-adm!adm!jsol@bu-it.bu.edu (Why this path? I would expect it to come from postmaster.) 2. > Subject: [postmaster@utadnx.cc.utexas.edu: Mail Delivery Problem] > Path: mcvax!uunet!husc6!mailrus!nrl-cmf!cmcl2!brl-adm!adm!adm! > jsol%bu-it.bu.edu@brl-adm.arpa Now I am waiting for some postmaster to think he cannot deliver this mail from a postmaster, and sends back to the mailing list. It looks like an explosion. Is this an attempt to clutter up the network (something like a verification of the load it can handle?). (How many times will I see my article?) -- dik t. winter, cwi, amsterdam, nederland INTERNET : dik@cwi.nl BITNET/EARN: dik@mcvax
msmith@topaz.rutgers.edu (Mark Robert Smith) (05/11/88)
The following message, shown in it's entirety, has arrived at this
site about a dozen times, as has the followup to it.
Anybody know what's up?
Mark
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Path: topaz.rutgers.edu!rutgers!mit-eddie!husc6!cmcl2!brl-adm!adm!adm!adm!adm!adm!adm!adm!adm!adm!adm!adm!adm!osu-cis!n8emr!lwv%TUT.CIS.OHIO-STATE.EDU%brl-adm.arpa%brl-adm.arpa%brl-adm.arpa%brl-adm.arpa%brl-adm.arpa%brl-adm.arpa%brl-adm.arpa%brl-adm.@BRL.ARPA
From: IO-STATE.EDU%brl-adm.arpa%brl-adm.arpa%brl-adm.arpa%brl-adm.arpa%brl-adm@brl-adm.ARPA
Newsgroups: comp.mail.headers
Subject: Forwarded mail headers
Message-ID: <13884@brl-adm.ARPA>
Date: 9 May 88 00:48:24 GMT
Sender: news@brl-adm.ARPA
Lines: 44
I am trying to find out how forwarded mail messages are 'supposed'
to look when they appear in net land. Currently, when my work mailer
forwards one message to someone else, it is enveloped in a mail heading
which says that the message was forwarde by me to the individual. But I
am seeing recently messages from folks who claim that their mailer is
rfc822 (?) compatible which does the following:
Article 4143 of comp.sys.apple:
Path: n8emr!osu-cis!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!husc6!think!ames!pasteur!ucbvax!SHARK.NOSC.MIL!MEDIN-T
From: MEDIN-T@SHARK.NOSC.MIL (Ted Medin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple
Subject: Re: 2nd try
Message-ID: <M1988$004590.MEDIN-T.MEDIN-T@SHARK.NOSC.MIL>
Date: 5 May 88 23:03:58 GMT
Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU
Organization: The Internet
Lines: 4
I forgot whoever asked for this but here's a response I got from Ted Medin.
--chris
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
The latest version of blu works on all 2's.
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Note that the above message was forwarded (reference to a chris and
a line stating Original message) yet there is nothing in the header
as it arrived here that indicates WHO originally mailed this message. This
has been happening to me now for about 1-2 weeks. I know of at least one
site that specifically is running this mailing pgm. They claim that their
mail is fine - in fact, when messages end up on their mailing list (info-
apple?) it has a Resent-By: header line. But somewhere in the translation
to uucp/usenet
it loses this line. This also happens when private mail crosses from the
site into usenet/uucp land. Any ideas on whether there is a rogue site or
if perhaps the originating sites have a problem?
Thanks!
--
Larry W. Virden 75046,606 (CIS)
674 Falls Place, Reynoldsburg, OH 43068 (614) 864-8817
osu-cis!n8emr!lwv (UUCP) osu-cis!n8emr!lwv@TUT.CIS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (BITNET)
We haven't inherited the world from our parents, but borrowed it from our children.
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I suspect that the problem is at brl-adm.arpa.
Mark
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61 Tenafly Road that you do not miss what is right under your nose."
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msmith@topaz.rutgers.edu Bill and Opus in '88!!!