[news.admin] Chucky Brunow unmasked

allen@sulaco.UUCP (Allen Gwinn) (09/27/88)

As most Usenetters realize, there has been a 'disgusting slime throwing
contest' going on between Mr. Chucky Brunow (loci@killer, loci@csccat,
wherever) and me (and several others).  Lets see if we can figure out why.
This is going to be a long article, so for those of you who are not interested 
in this thing, please hit your 'N' key now :-)    I would like to move any
further discussion of this topic to alt.flame (or email) to get it out of
news.admin.  But if Mr. Chucky wants to continue it here, I guess we can.

>From <2595@csccat.UUCP> Chuck Brunow (loci) writes:

	Get this, one and all: there was nothing offensive, abusive,
	profane, insulting or otherwise objectionable about my posting
	to which you refer. Nothing. The fact that Allen Gwinn responded
	with a completely unprovoked attack is his problem, but I had
	no part in it. None.

Nothing offensive?  In <5572@killer.DALLAS.TX.US> Chucky writes (referring 
to one of my postings):

	However, if posters are going to assail others with flames,
	insults, lies, etc., etc., it really makes no difference
	whether they use a handle or their name...

	...so chill out.

Later on in <2595@csccat.UUCP> he continues:

	If Allen Gwinn is free to
	post slanders and lies about me, there is no way you can tell
	me that I haven't the same right: no way. But I don't choose
	to stoop to those depths and some people seem to think that
	that's a sign of weakness or something, and gives them the
	right to publicly post ridiculous lies.

Ok... I've been archiving too, Chucky.  Lets have a go at it.  Keep in
mind that NONE of this is EMAIL, these are things that Chucky has posted
in the past to various individuals on the net.  Why archive Chucky?
I'll answer that one in a minute.  Let's start by taking a look at
his stance on articles he finds "offensive".  Here is a quote from
an article posted by him in the past week:

In <5572@killer.DALLAS.TX.US> he writes:

	The net has a perfectly good mechanism for dealing with postings
	that cause aggravation; the reader merely doesn't read whatever
	they find offensive. If it's too extreme, unsubscribe.

WOW! What a turnaround considering the following quotes made by Chucky
in the past:

Article <1750@csccat.UUCP> Chucky writes:

	[...speaking of articles containing offensive material...]
	As a first step toward rectifying this abuse, I call
	upon all those SA's who pass such offensive material either
	to down-stream sites or directly to net-users to publicly
	state that they will not tolerate it and will take whatever
	steps are necessary to disconnect repeat offenders, and
	mean it.

Then Kenn Barry at NASA Ames posts an article refuting most of the points
that Chucky made in his article.  So does Chucky just "ignore" or "not read"
whatever he finds offensive?  No, he has a different approach... he threatens
to raise hell at NASA because Kenn dares to question him:

Article <1784@csccat.UUCP> Chucky writes:

	Ah, NASA-Ames is it? Now, how many sites are operated by
	public colleges and universities? If they receive any federal
	funding, or if they just get my state taxes, ...

	Beginning to get the idea? Yes, that's right, if you want to
	use "free speech" to abuse the decency of the net, I can use
	my "free speech" to strike at sensitive pressure points. No
	legal fees, no law suits, just good clean fun.

Beginning to get the idea?  Does it stop there?  No... before this big
flap, there was another one.  John Haugh (SA of rpp386) received thru
UUCP, what was believed to be a public domain "YACC".  It turned out not
to be.  After being contacted by AT&T's attorneys, John purged all copies
of this from his system as well as sending out notification to other
sites connected to his system that could have gotten a copy of this (mine
was one of the sites as well as Chucky's).

Did Chucky just check to see if the sources were on his machine and rm them?
No... instead, he decided to post a whining, moaning, name-calling little
piece to news.admin (and several other groups).  Instead of wanting to be
sure that he didn't accidentally have a copy of someone else's proprietary
software, he was more concerned that AT&T had his name as a connection to
John's machine.

There's more?  Yes, there is.  Finally, it has been brought to my attention
that Chucky decided to play "hacker" on at least one occasion and break 
security on at least one machine here in the D/FW area.  I would be happy 
to post details if Chucky would like to dispute this.  Lets see if he
does.

-- 
Allen Gwinn  ...sulaco!allen        Disclaimer: The facts stated are my own.
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