crunch@well.UUCP (John Draper) (11/10/88)
In response to the latest message I posted about Joint Ventures, this is my response to all of TODAYS responses. >I think the right place to post this info would be in comp.misc. >Any chance of getting the Soviets on UseNet? I understand that most >of the scientifically involved Soviets also speak English. The Soviet programmers, at least 80 percent usually can read and speak english because they have to be able to read all the manuals which are in English. Currently, I will be the gateway between here and the USSR, and am trying to set up a UseNet link. I don't know the details yet. If anyone out there can give me current info on usenet links into Finland, or Checkloslovokia (Scuse spelling), please let me know. Getting UseNet links into the USSR requires someone on the Soviet side of an OFFICIAL capacity to authorize a connection to one of their UNIX machines. They DON'T have many UNIX machines. Communications between Finland and the USSR is about 6 marks a minute. Or about $1.50 per MINUTE. There has to be a better way to do this. I have people in the Soviet Union investigating this. >How about comp.misc? Something like comp.society.russia would be better >but that doesn't exist and I can't see it being created for just these >articles. > Jerry Score 2 for comp.misc, any MORE requests. > I have one question about the relations with the Soviets in this area... Wilr > Will there be some sort of link established between say Usenet or the Internet? >Granted current events raise questions about how secure such a link can be, bute >to have established - make Usenenet truly world-wide. It would also help allow t >exchange of information between people in the USA and USSR coincerninh their wo. I currently have total freedom of information exchange with the Soviets. I was totally surprised at their openness, and they have NO experience with networks. I will have a DIRECT LINK to the Soviet Union, and I'm paying for this out out of my own pockets, so don't expect megabytes of information to be passed back and forth. The link I use is EXPENSIVE, but if used in moderation, I can afford it. I suspect I'll be using this link to extract the BEST stuff from Usenet (Upon approval from the origional authors of course) then I can shoot it over to Moscow. I'll have an account on the Moscow system. Most of the traffic will be used to set up more direct links between the Soviet Union. BUT!! If some agency is willing to foot the bill, I would be most happy to oblige, and be the gateway. However, by my observations, I would like to have some control of what gets passed, as in my experience, Americans tend to say things to Soviets (Mostly un-intentional) that offend them. Currently, I'm in "Fat city" as far as the Soviet Officials are concerned, and I intend to respect their authority. Although the Soviet Union is opening up, they STILL have different ways of viewing things, and are not experienced in dealing directly with Americans. I think after you read the Joint Venture paper (Soon to be published in comp.misc), you will understand why I feel that way. Anyway, so be looking for it in comp.misc. I have more changes to make before putting it there. A few more days..... Crunch uunet!acad!well!crunch
tneff@dasys1.UUCP (Tom Neff) (11/12/88)
I haven't seen any of the Crunch-man's prior postings on a USSR gateway, but boy would it be fantastic. John ought to have a blast pioneering it, only so long as the Sovs don't get hold of his curriculum vitae! :-) The initial process of ceremonial howdys etc. would work will in comp.misc or any of the other general purpose newsgroups. I would hope, though, that if the gateway is "real" something could be done to segregate by subject. I'm sure our Sov counterparts have oodles of questions about how to get their decadent Western PCs to run. Of course then the State Dept. might come down on us like a ton of bricks for technology transfer. That's why it's so good to have John out there in front! :-) -- Tom Neff UUCP: ...!cmcl2!phri!dasys1!tneff "None of your toys CIS: 76556,2536 MCI: TNEFF will function..." GEnie: TOMNEFF BIX: t.neff (no kidding)
michiel@idca.tds.PHILIPS.nl (Michiel Fierst van Wijnandsbergen) (11/15/88)
In article <7590@dasys1.UUCP> tneff@dasys1.UUCP (Tom Neff) writes: >I haven't seen any of the Crunch-man's prior postings on a USSR gateway, >but boy would it be fantastic. John ought to have a blast pioneering it, >only so long as the Sovs don't get hold of his curriculum vitae! :-) > >The initial process of ceremonial howdys etc. would work will in comp.misc >or any of the other general purpose newsgroups. I would hope, though, >that if the gateway is "real" something could be done to segregate by >subject. I'm sure our Sov counterparts have oodles of questions about >how to get their decadent Western PCs to run. Of course then the >State Dept. might come down on us like a ton of bricks for technology >transfer. That's why it's so good to have John out there in front! :-) Isn't this a bit overdone? I am sure the soviets have been reading the net for years. It might not be generally available in the USSR, but they surely have access to it. Soviet intelligence wouldn't be worth much if they couldn't get into an open network like this. And it must mean a lot to them too, because it contains very useful information about an industry in which they are clearly behind. Coming to think of it: are they behind that much? Followups to talk.politics.soviet. -- # Michiel Fierst van Wijnandsbergen Internet fierst@idca.tds.philips.nl # # Philips Telecomm. and Data Systems UUCP ...!mcvax!philapd!fierst #