lear@NET.BIO.NET (Eliot Lear) (10/30/88)
One month ago today, I called for votes on the question of moderating news.admin. My call for votes was based on a perceived demand for moderation. Here are the results of my census. YES VOTES - 165 NO VOTES - 82 --- DIFFERENCE: 83 While YES votes outnumbered NO votes more than two to one, it is a convention that actions such as moderation of an existing group require at least 100 YES votes over NO votes. However, it is clear that some form of action is required. Many people strongly suggested that we start posting guidelines for posting into news.admin, due to its volatile nature. I'll implement this in some manner or another. Your comments are solicited. The addresses of those who voted with their respective votes follow: ------------------------- YES VOTES ------------------------------- @cunyvm.cuny.edu:mauhk@CU.WARWICK.AC.UK @relay.cs.net,@neat.ai.toronto.edu:brian@radio.astro.toronto.edu @relay.cs.net,@tektronix.tek.com:jeff@hammer.gwd.tek.com @relay.cs.net:brad@looking.uucp @relay.cs.net:bs@sbsvax.de @relay.cs.net:eschle@forty2.uucp @relay.cs.net:sandy%oresoft.uucp@tektronix.tek.com @relay.cs.net:scott%tekcrl.crl@tektronix.tek.com @relay.cs.net:wyle@lavi.uucp @virginia.acc.virginia.edu:rja@edison.ge.com @zorac.dciem.dnd.ca:ntt@dretor GROSSMAN@score.stanford.edu John.Myers@k.gp.cs.cmu.edu Kathryn.VanStone@nimbus.gp.cs.cmu.edu NMBCU@cunyvm.cuny.edu Tom.Lane@zog.cs.cmu.edu ambar@bloom-beacon.mit.edu ane@hal.cwru.edu aplcen!jhunix!fallst!tkevans@mimsy.umd.edu attcan!lsuc!dave@uunet.uu.net attcan!lsuc!ncrcan!cs-col!toto!haug@uunet.uu.net attcan!telly!evan@uunet.uu.net ballou%pool.DEC@decwrl.dec.com bch@uncecs.edu bgsuvax!osu-cis!mstar!karl@opie.bgsu.edu blarson@skat.usc.edu brant@linc.cis.upenn.edu brian@apollo.com bsu-cs!dhesi@gold.bacs.indiana.edu c3pe!cucstud!wb8foz@decuac.dec.com cbp@foster.oz.au cher%whutt%att@research.att.com chiefdan@vax1.acs.udel.edu chuq@sun.com claris!clay@ames.arc.nasa.gov claris!skip@ames.arc.nasa.gov csun!lkw@rdlvax.rdl.com csun!polyslo!rducky!jrp@rdlvax.rdl.com cyrill@scicom.alphacdc.com daitc!dsacg1!ntm1569@uunet.uu.net datapg!sewilco@uunet.uu.net david@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov davidf@cs.heriot-watt.ac.uk davids@iscuva.iscs.com ddodell@stjhmc.fidonet.org dhp%att@research.att.com dmk@pilot.njin.net don@anzio.gatech.edu dsinc!syd@bpa.bell-atl.com duncan@comp.vuw.ac.nz ecl%mtgzy%att@research.att.com edson@jpl-devvax.jpl.nasa.gov eggert@sm.unisys.com elroy!suned1!efb@ames.arc.nasa.gov encore!bu-cs!gloom!cory@bloom-beacon.mit.edu enea!kullmar!bk@uunet.uu.net enea!log-hb!akeh@uunet.uu.net enea!tucos!moj@uunet.uu.net felix!kenny@trwrb.dsd.trw.com frog!john@eddie.mit.edu 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lear@NET.BIO.NET liz@grian.cps.altadena.ca.us lloyd!sunfs2!tod@hscfvax.harvard.edu maart@cs.vu.nl mangler@csvax.caltech.edu matt@oddjob.uchicago.edu mcvax!orcenl!bengsig@uunet.uu.net mende@aramis.rutgers.edu mhayes@uvicctr.uvic.ca microsof!w-tedt@uunet.uu.net mnetor!lethe!geaclib!drew@uunet.uu.net motmpl!ron@mcdchg.chi.il.us msb@sq.sq.com myrias!cmt@ncc.nexus.ca ncc!lyndon@uunet.uu.net netsys!len@decuac.dec.com newton@cs.utexas.edu nfsun!libove!root@uunet.uu.net nomad@verdix.com nosun!tessi!joey@sun.com nyssa%terminus@research.att.com oliveb!bunker!wtm@ames.arc.nasa.gov osm@heifetz.ann-arbor.mi.us oxy!paul@csvax.caltech.edu phiggins@orion.cf.uci.edu phri!roy@nyu.edu phyllis@bcsaic.boeing.com ray@maxwell.physics.purdue.edu rayssd!gmp@gatech.edu redsox!campbell@wjh12.harvard.edu rob@tcville.hac.com roger@xn.ll.mit.edu rogerk@wright.mips.com romain@pyramid.pyramid.com romkey@asylum.uucp roode@orc.olivetti.com rsk@mace.cc.purdue.edu sco!keithr@ucscc.ucsc.edu scs%iti@umix.cc.umich.edu seeger@dali.iec.ufl.edu shefter-bret@yale.arpa skyler@uncecs.edu soma!shell!stan@watson.ee.utexas.edu stiatl!pda@gatech.edu stpstn!aad@philabs.philips.com suned1!efb@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov sunybcs!ur-cc!srs!matt@rutgers.edu tadguy@cs.odu.edu tale@life.pawl.rpi.edu tar@ksuvax1.cis.ksu.edu texbell!tness7!vector!chip@cs.utexas.edu tim%attdso%att@research.att.com tlxprs!fantasci!root@vsedev.vse.com tombre@crin.crin.fr tower@bu-it.bu.edu troly@math.ucla.edu ucdavis!gvgpsa!davew@ucbvax.berkeley.edu ucqais!showard@uccba.uc.edu uiucdcs!pur-ee!mlm@uunet.uu.net vixie@decwrl.dec.com vsi1!tolerant!jane@altos.arpa werner@astro.as.utexas.edu wezel@bio.vu.nl wood@emmy.ma.utexas.edu woods@handies.ucar.edu xait!lakart!dg@think.com yba@sabre.bellcore.com yee@ames.arc.nasa.gov -------------------------- NO VOTES -------------------------- @relay.cs.net,@neat.ai.toronto.edu,@utzoo,@telly:cks@ziebmef @relay.cs.net:nate@mipos2.intel.com @relay.cs.net:rdgreenall@lotus.waterloo.edu RWC102@psuvm.bitnet YBMCU@cunyvm.cuny.edu acornrc!bob@decwrl.dec.com amdahl!gam@walt.cc.utexas.edu apctrc!drd!pecan!mark@uunet.uu.net aplcen!osiris!news@mimsy.umd.edu ateng!chip@uunet.uu.net barry@eos.arc.nasa.gov bei!paul@sgi.com bgg@yarra.oz.au bill@carpet.wlk.com bob@allosaur.cis.ohio-state.edu bob@rel.eds.com brisco@pilot.njin.net bungia!sialis!rjg@cs.umn.edu cc1@valhalla.cs.ucla.edu comdesign!canary!pst@uunet.uu.net cstam@cont1.dayton.ncr.com cucard!ccnysci!dan@nyu.edu daemon@husc6.harvard.edu daver!versatc!datack!cratz@wombat.stsci.edu david@e.ms.uky.edu decvax!zinn!mem@ucbvax.berkeley.edu djn@jupiter.nmt.edu drogers@riacs.edu emv@starbarlounge.cc.umich.edu esj@manatee.cis.ufl.edu execu!dewey@cs.utexas.edu ficc!karl@uunet.uu.net ficc!morrison@uunet.uu.net ficc!peter@uunet.uu.net george@hyper.lap.upenn.edu glenns%pipe@gatech.edu gore@eecs.nwu.edu greg@gryphon.cts.com grr@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com hal!uccba!cesbws!ceetm1!yun@cwjcc.cwru.edu jcb@lfcs.edinburgh.ac.uk jj%alice@research.att.com jmturn@somewhere.uucp karl@ddsw1.mcs.com karl@sugar.uu.net killer!root@cms2.gsfc.nasa.gov kodak!gizzmo!lazlo!sabin!ritcsh!boba@cs.rochester.edu krone@presto.ig.com legare@emx.utexas.edu levin@oakland.bbn.com lll-winken!lll-crg!ames!rutgers!hplabs.hp.com!hpcea!hpda!hpsemc!jat mcmi!denny@uunet.uu.net mike@turing.unm.edu msmith@topaz.rutgers.edu nitrex!rbl@uunet.uu.net nucsrl!chinet!garret@oddjob.uchicago.edu nucsrl!chinet!rissa@oddjob.uchicago.edu oleg@gryphon.cts.com osu-cis!att!watmath!electro!carlo@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu osu-cis!chemabs!lwv27@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu page@swan.ulowell.edu phri!dasys1!tneff@nyu.edu pyramid!tmpmbx!pengo@ames.arc.nasa.gov richard@gryphon.cts.com rsb584@leah.albany.edu sartin@inferno.ptp.hp.com sco!davidbe@uunet.uu.net silverio@brahms.berkeley.edu sob@bcm.tmc.edu sp7040!obie!wes@sun.com spaf@purdue.edu spl1!quintro!root@lll-winken.llnl.gov steinmetz!welty@uunet.uu.net steve@athena.mit.edu stevo@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov sulaco!allen@sun.com sun!sjsumcs!ctnews!mitisft!bms@decwrl.dec.com tedell@ucdavis.edu texbell!root@tness7.sw1e.swbt.com unido!isaak!einstein!luik@uunet.uu.net wbt%cbnews@research.att.com wes@emptys.cc.umich.edu -- Eliot Lear [lear@net.bio.net]
vixie@decwrl.dec.com (Paul Vixie) (11/02/88)
# YES VOTES - 165
# NO VOTES - 82
# ---
# DIFFERENCE: 83
#
# While YES votes outnumbered NO votes more than two to one, it is
# a convention that actions such as moderation of an existing group
# require at least 100 YES votes over NO votes.
# [...]
# --
# Eliot Lear
# [lear@net.bio.net]
It looks like the existing group is well-liked by a lot of people. I suggest
that those of us who want a moderated forum set one up -- it would be sort of
neat to put it in alt, but I think news.admin.{funny,useful,real,only} would
fit.
Once a moderated version exists, all useful traffic will probably move over
there. When news.admin dies, the moderated one can be renamed.
This is more steps, but it will get us where we want to go.
--
Paul Vixie
Work: vixie@decwrl.dec.com decwrl!vixie +1 415 853 6600
Play: paul@vixie.sf.ca.us vixie!paul +1 415 864 7013kmw@sim.ardent.com (Ken Wallich) (11/03/88)
In article <31@gnome6.pa.dec.com> vixie@decwrl.dec.com (Paul Vixie) writes: ># YES VOTES - 165 ># NO VOTES - 82 ># --- ># DIFFERENCE: 83 ># > >It looks like the existing group is well-liked by a lot of people. And it looks like it is also disliked by twice as many people. >I suggest >that those of us who want a moderated forum set one up -- it would be sort of >neat to put it in alt, but I think news.admin.{funny,useful,real,only} would >fit. > >Once a moderated version exists, all useful traffic will probably move over >there. When news.admin dies, the moderated one can be renamed. I agree, it would give everyone what they want (a free forum, a less noisy forum), without really compromising what either wants to prevent (censorship and unwanted noise). I don't know that it would be 'neat' to put it in alt though, I think it would fit better here as news.admin.{something}. Ken Wallich Ardent Computer Corp kmw@ardent.com Sunnyvale, California, USA "chance is the fool's name for fate"
lear@NET.BIO.NET (Eliot Lear) (11/03/88)
How about news.admin.best-of? This would be good for two things: 1] A summary of the good stuff posted in news.admin consisting of message ids and some form of summary. 2] Material that is extremely flammable. Ie, ``how the net should work'' discussions, etc. Comments? -- Eliot Lear [lear@net.bio.net]
weemba@garnet.berkeley.edu (Obnoxious Math Grad Student) (11/03/88)
>># YES VOTES - 165 >># NO VOTES - 82 >># --- >># DIFFERENCE: 83 >>It looks like the existing group is well-liked by a lot of people. >And it looks like it is also disliked by twice as many people. Where do all these silly people come from? It looks like most people do not give a damn one way or the other. By the way: haven't you people noticed how nice and friendly news.admin has been for quite some time now? Personally, I think the call for mod- eration was simply an understandable overreaction. ucbvax!garnet!weemba Matthew P Wiener/Brahms Gang/Berkeley CA 94720
jfh@rpp386.Dallas.TX.US (John F. Haugh II) (11/04/88)
In article <691@ardent.UUCP> kmw@sim.ardent.com (Ken Wallich) writes: >In article <31@gnome6.pa.dec.com> vixie@decwrl.dec.com (Paul Vixie) writes: >># YES VOTES - 165 >># NO VOTES - 82 >># --- >># DIFFERENCE: 83 >># >> >>It looks like the existing group is well-liked by a lot of people. > >And it looks like it is also disliked by twice as many people. The answer is quite simple. Create news.admin.d for people wanting to discuss news administrators, and then moderate news.admin so news admins can have a place to news administration. If we can convince Ed V. it is needed do you think he'll create it? Or do we have to convince spaf on this one? -- John F. Haugh II +----Make believe quote of the week---- VoiceNet: (214) 250-3311 Data: -6272 | Nancy Reagan on Richard Stallman: InterNet: jfh@rpp386.Dallas.TX.US | "Just say `Gno'" UucpNet : <backbone>!killer!rpp386!jfh +--------------------------------------
pda@stiatl.UUCP (Paul Anderson) (11/04/88)
In article <691@ardent.UUCP> kmw@sim.ardent.com (Ken Wallich) writes: >In article <31@gnome6.pa.dec.com> vixie@decwrl.dec.com (Paul Vixie) writes: >># YES VOTES - 165 >># NO VOTES - 82 >># --- >># DIFFERENCE: 83 >> >>It looks like the existing group is well-liked by a lot of people. > >And it looks like it is also disliked by twice as many people. > >>Once a moderated version exists, all useful traffic will probably move over >>there. When news.admin dies, the moderated one can be renamed. I think we have been around on this before, but instead of creating YAG, could we make news.sysadmin moderated? The volume there appears to be pretty low... Perhaps this should be read as a suggestion to reclassify some news.groups and their intent to the net... paul -- Paul Anderson gatech!stiatl!pda (404) 841-4000 X isn't just an adventure, X is a way of life...
greyham@ausonics.OZ (Greyham Stoney) (11/04/88)
in article <31@gnome6.pa.dec.com>, vixie@decwrl.dec.com (Paul Vixie) says: > > It looks like the existing group is well-liked by a lot of people. I suggest > that those of us who want a moderated forum set one up -- it would be sort of > neat to put it in alt, but I think news.admin.{funny,useful,real,only} would > fit. > > Once a moderated version exists, all useful traffic will probably move over > there. When news.admin dies, the moderated one can be renamed. > > This is more steps, but it will get us where we want to go. Hey, can't you read? The vote *failed*. The steps you describe are not where the collective "we" want to go. -- # Greyham Stoney: (disclaimer not necessary: I'm obviously irresponsible) # greyham@ausonics.oz - Ausonics Pty Ltd, Lane Cove. /* Official Sponsor */ # greyham@utscsd.oz - Uni of Technology, Sydney.
lear@NET.BIO.NET (Eliot Lear) (11/04/88)
> The answer is quite simple. Create news.admin.d for people wanting to > discuss news administrators, and then moderate news.admin so news admins > can have a place to news administration. > > If we can convince Ed V. it is needed do you think he'll create it? > Or do we have to convince spaf on this one? NO!!! This is entirely inappropriate. If there is one thing that vote showed us, it was that people want news.admin left alone. Please leave it alone. If you want to create another group and moderate it, fine, but don't touch news.admin. -- Eliot Lear [lear@net.bio.net]
skyler@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Patricia Roberts) (11/04/88)
In article <8411@rpp386.Dallas.TX.US> jfh@rpp386.Dallas.TX.US (John F. Haugh II) writes: >In article <691@ardent.UUCP> kmw@sim.ardent.com (Ken Wallich) writes: >The answer is quite simple. Create news.admin.d for people wanting to >discuss news administrators, and then moderate news.admin so news admins >can have a place to news administration. This was NOT what the vote was about. It was whether news.admin should be moderated, not whether it should be moderated AND restricted to news administrators. If you want to follow protocol, hold a vote on the issue whether or not it should be restricted to administrators. I, for one, will vote against that. -- ==================================================================== -Trish "We've had triumphs, we've made mistakes, we've had sex." skyler@ecsvax.uncecs.edu -G. Bush about Reagan
dewey@execu.UUCP (Dewey Henize) (11/04/88)
In article <Nov.3.23.42.38.1988.12254@NET.BIO.NET> lear@NET.BIO.NET (Eliot Lear) writes: }> The answer is quite simple. Create news.admin.d for people wanting to }> discuss news administrators, and then moderate news.admin so news admins }> can have a place to news administration. }> }> If we can convince Ed V. it is needed do you think he'll create it? }> Or do we have to convince spaf on this one? } } }NO!!! } }This is entirely inappropriate. If there is one thing that vote }showed us, it was that people want news.admin left alone. Please }leave it alone. If you want to create another group and moderate }it, fine, but don't touch news.admin. }-- }Eliot Lear }[lear@net.bio.net] Indeed, this is exactly right. By any stretch of the imagination, when a real vote FAILS it is not a mandate to be screwing around with an existing group. There's lots of precedent for making a NEW group, making it be moderated if thats what the people who vote for the new group with, but changing what has been explicitly supported isn't being responsible to both sides. There's no question that a large number of folks want a moderated forum, and only a little work could create one. There's also no question that a fair and open vote mandated news.admin to be unmoderated. Lets play a fair on this one, or we might as well dump all discussions in favor of the 'this is what I want the votes to mean'. I'm not attacking anyone here, I think simply that a bit less mucking around with existing things (if it ain't broke, don't fix it - and the majority voting felt it ain't broke). Thanks for your time. Dewey Henize -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- | There is nothing in the above message that can't be explained by sunspots. | | execu!dewey Dewey Henize | | Can you say standard disclaimer? I knew you could. Somehow... |
pda@stiatl.UUCP (Paul Anderson) (11/05/88)
In article <Nov.3.23.42.38.1988.12254@NET.BIO.NET> lear@NET.BIO.NET (Eliot Lear) writes: >> Create news.admin.d for people wanting to >> discuss news administrators, and then moderate news.admin so news admins >> can have a place to news administration. >If there is one thing that vote >showed us, it was that people want news.admin left alone. Please >leave it alone. If you want to create another group and moderate >it, fine, but don't touch news.admin. I am reposting a question from earlier this week, as I don't think it made it out. Sorry if this is a repeat.. Why not moderate news.sysadmin? It's volume is relatively low. Perhaps this is a call for discussion of the focus of the various newsgroups. Could someone (Gene S.?) please post the original newsgroup focus info for each of the news.all groups? Then we wouldn't have to go around on this too many more times... paul -- Paul Anderson gatech!stiatl!pda (404) 841-4000 X isn't just an adventure, X is a way of life...
kmw@sim.ardent.com (Ken Wallich) (11/10/88)
In article <5740@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> skyler@ecsvax.UUCP (Patricia Roberts) writes: >In article <8411@rpp386.Dallas.TX.US> jfh@rpp386.Dallas.TX.US (John F. Haugh II) writes: >>In article <691@ardent.UUCP> kmw@sim.ardent.com (Ken Wallich) writes: >>The answer is quite simple. Create news.admin.d for people wanting to >>discuss news administrators, and then moderate news.admin so news admins >>can have a place to news administration. > >This was NOT what the vote was about. It was whether news.admin should be >moderated, not whether it should be moderated AND restricted to news >administrators. Hey, keep *my* name out of this. This is just another of John's cynical jokes. If you read it carefully, it is obvious he is not being serious. Not that I advocate mildly satirical humor in a group where many people have no sense of it. I simply agreed that it might be usefull to discuss Eliot's secondary proposal of creating a moderated version of news.admin SEPARATE from news.admin, and LEAVE news.admin ALONE, which seemed to be the wish of a lot of people (leaving news.admin alone, that is). Ken Wallich Ardent Computer Corp kmw@ardent.com Sunnyvale, California, USA "chance is the fool's name for fate"
vixie@decwrl.dec.com (Paul Vixie) (11/10/88)
In article <66@ausonics.OZ> greyham@ausonics.OZ (Greyham Stoney) writes:
# in article <31@gnome6.pa.dec.com>, vixie@decwrl.dec.com (Paul Vixie) says:
# > Once a moderated version exists, all useful traffic will probably move over
# > there. When news.admin dies, the moderated one can be renamed.
# >
# > This is more steps, but it will get us where we want to go.
#
# Hey, can't you read? The vote *failed*. The steps you describe are not where
# the collective "we" want to go.
This is absolutely uncalled for. Can I read? It looks that way -- I'm
answering you, right? Yes, the vote failed. The steps I described, however,
are not binding on the collective "we" -- see the word "probably" in the
text you quoted? Whuzzamattuh, can't you READ?
Thus are flamers born. I used to be such a nice guy.
--
Paul Vixie
Work: vixie@decwrl.dec.com decwrl!vixie +1 415 853 6600
Play: paul@vixie.sf.ca.us vixie!paul +1 415 864 7013NMBCU@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (11/16/88)
When someone suggested that we create "news.admin.d" for discussions of news
admin and at the same time make "news.admin" a moderated group, I think
Elliot Lear was wrong, for saying that that was wrong. This of course is
my opinion.
Elliot said that the vote showed that people do not wish to have "news.admin"
moderated (or as he put it "touched, so please leave it alone"). But Elliot,
that was then, this is now. Now people will have a choice. They will now
have a place to discuss whats going on in "news.admin". They can do it in
"news.admin.d". Of course this means that those who enjoyed posting junk to
"news.admin" will do it to "news.admin.d", rather than "news.misc", but thats
why I voted "YES" for the moderation of "news.admin" in the first place;
to get that junk out of "news.admin" and hopefully into "news.misc" where
(in my opinion) I felt it belonged.
But if voting yes to "news.admin.d" is the only way I can help get
"news.admin" moderated, then I will vote yes. When and if a vote is called
for, that is.
BTW, if a certain person at my node reads this posting within minutes
after my Netpost, please don't come to me and tell me I'm wrong. I'm
just stating MY opinion, and not the opinions of my employer, or
anyone else. :)
Nelsonlear@NET.BIO.NET (Eliot Lear) (11/18/88)
The fact is that a vote on the matter of moderation had just been taken. Convention holds that another vote on the subject be delayed for six months. I'd like to at least wait until my summary of votes has expired from my system. If we want to create a moderated group, ok. But it should not be news.admin. Rather, create a news.admin.m or some such beast. There is a mailing list set up for the topic in which you should probably be included. I'll send you details. Eliot -- Eliot Lear [lear@net.bio.net]
karl@ficc.uu.net (karl lehenbauer #) (11/22/88)
In article <1722NMBCU@CUNYVM>, NMBCU@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU writes: > ...But Elliot, > that was then, this is now. Now people will have a choice. They will now > have a place to discuss whats going on in "news.admin". They can do it in > "news.admin.d". Of course this means that those who enjoyed posting junk to > "news.admin" will do it to "news.admin.d", rather than "news.misc", but thats > why I voted "YES" for the moderation of "news.admin" in the first place; Look, what's the difference? The vote to moderate news.admin failed. Since your plan is to have a moderated news.admin and an unmoderated discussion group, why not do it the other way around and call for discussion, then for votes, for a new moderated group. Judging from the number of people who voted for moderation in Eliot's recent call for votes, a vote for a new moderated news admin group will easily carry. Call it news.admin.digest or whatever, but leave news.admin alone in deference to the results of the vote that was just held. You'll get what you want (two groups), and it won't require ignoring the vote and the guidelines as a result. There's nothing so special about the character string "news.admin" to warrant such covetry. -- -- +1 713 274 5184, uunet!ficc!karl -- Ferranti International Controls, 12808 W. Airport Blvd., Sugar Land, TX 77478