alden@sphere.mast.ohio-state.edu (Dave Alden) (02/07/89)
I don't think Brad's responses to any questions would make ANY
difference to how people feel about his concept of a license to
receive/read r.h.f. The license states:
"This license can be revoked at any time, from any individual user,
site or subnet, whether they are considered to be on USENET or not."
I don't think he can make this statement any clearer than it is.
He is claiming that he has the right to tell me that I cannot
read a USENET newsgroup, period. No room for misinterpretation.
My personal opinion is that unless Brad decides to only stick to
the compilation copyright (which some claim he doesn't have the
right to - I don't know, that's another matter of lessor importance)
he should be removed as the moderator of r.h.f and a new moderator
found. If none can be found then it will be the demise of r.h.f,
but this would be for the better. The fact that Brad claims this
right and people aren't EXTREMELY upset by this scares me. For
those of you who still don't get it, wake up! The fact that he says
that this will only be used to "protect him" doesn't matter one bit,
what matters is the claim itself. I don't believe he has the right
to tell me I can't read r.h.f, whether he's the moderator or not.
Being a semi-new sysadmin, I would like to ask for the opinions
of the "old-timers". Comments, please?
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BITNET: ALDEN@OHSTPYcharlie@elk.stat.washington.edu (Charlie Geyer) (02/08/89)
In article <439@sphere.mast.ohio-state.edu> alden@sphere.mast.ohio-state.edu (Dave Alden) writes: > [Brad Templeton] is claiming that he has the right to tell me that I > cannot read a USENET newsgroup, period. No room for misinterpretation. You've got that right. That's the whole point. If you're JEDR, he has to be able to tell you that and make it all nice and legal. Otherwise he has to get out of the r.h.f business. The point is not to keep people from reading r.h.f (why would he want to do that?) but to make JEDR read r.h.f illegally so he has no grounds for complaint.
shane@chablis.cc.umich.edu (Shane Looker) (02/09/89)
In article <439@sphere.mast.ohio-state.edu> alden@sphere.mast.ohio-state.edu (Dave Alden) writes: >"This license can be revoked at any time, from any individual user, > site or subnet, whether they are considered to be on USENET or not." > >I don't think he can make this statement any clearer than it is. >He is claiming that he has the right to tell me that I cannot >read a USENET newsgroup, period. No room for misinterpretation. Have you ever read the license/warrenty that comes with a Microsoft product? Did you read why the "license" can be revoked? >he should be removed as the moderator of r.h.f and a new moderator >found. If none can be found then it will be the demise of r.h.f, >but this would be for the better. The fact that Brad claims this >right and people aren't EXTREMELY upset by this scares me. For >those of you who still don't get it, wake up! The fact that he says >that this will only be used to "protect him" doesn't matter one bit, >what matters is the claim itself. I don't believe he has the right >to tell me I can't read r.h.f, whether he's the moderator or not. OK. So what gives you the right to claim he can't moderate the group? If I understand the history of r.h.f, Brad was the one who created and has tended the group for several years. Oh, sorry. Obviously you know more about how to run the group and all the hassles that have been involved with it more than anybody else. Sorry for my ignorance. >Being a semi-new sysadmin, I would like to ask for the opinions >of the "old-timers". Comments, please? > Dave Alden, System Programmer @ Department of Mathematics > The Ohio State University; 231 W 18th Avenue, Columbus OH USA 43210 Well, it looks like it is time for the public announcment that Usenet is about to die, again. Shane Looker | Looker@um.cc.umich.edu | shane@chablis.cc.umich.edu
gdelong@cvman.UUCP (Gary Delong) (02/09/89)
In article <439@sphere.mast.ohio-state.edu>, alden@sphere.mast.ohio-state.edu (Dave Alden) writes: | | I don't think Brad's responses to any questions would make ANY | difference to how people feel about his concept of a license to | receive/read r.h.f. The license states: | | "This license can be revoked at any time, from any individual user, | site or subnet, whether they are considered to be on USENET or not." | | I don't think he can make this statement any clearer than it is. | He is claiming that he has the right to tell me that I cannot | read a USENET newsgroup, period. No room for misinterpretation. | | | My personal opinion is that unless Brad decides to only stick to | the compilation copyright (which some claim he doesn't have the | right to - I don't know, that's another matter of lessor importance) | he should be removed as the moderator of r.h.f and a new moderator | found. If none can be found then it will be the demise of r.h.f, | but this would be for the better. The fact that Brad claims this | right and people aren't EXTREMELY upset by this scares me. For | those of you who still don't get it, wake up! The fact that he says | that this will only be used to "protect him" doesn't matter one bit, | what matters is the claim itself. I don't believe he has the right | to tell me I can't read r.h.f, whether he's the moderator or not. I've been watching this for a while now and am also surprised at the lack of concern. I have no problem with a sysadmin not carrying some groups due to their content: This site does not carry alt.* talk.* and soc.* plus some other splinter groups which are available from our feed. I have a real problem with a moderator saying he has some 'right' to limit distribution of material over USENET. As far as I can see, the nature of USENET is such that when someone choses to place his information on USENET they have sent it to every USENET site. Brad, I fully supported your position when rhf was being beat upon, however I feel in this case you are way out of line. My first reaction was to ask you to ban me from distribution of rhf and receive in spite of that ban and encourge you to sue, however this being (as most are) a corporate site I don't think my employers would be interested in pursuing that approch. 1/2 8-) I admit, that if it were not for you, rhf would not exist. When I saw your first posting proposing the creation of the group I didn't really think it would mature as well as it has. I congratulate you on the results of your efforts. I just think you may now have gone a little bit overboard. I really don't think it would be that hard to find a new moderator if it comes to that. ******** Is it time yet for the net.gods to speak on this matter? ***** -- Gary A. Delong, N1BIP gdelong@cvman.prime.com {sun|linus}!cvbnet!gdelong