bill@twwells.uucp (T. William Wells) (02/15/89)
In article <12063@gryphon.COM> richard@gryphon.COM (Richard Sexton) writes: : In article <378@twwells.uucp> bill@twwells.UUCP (T. William Wells) writes: : >In article <11954@gryphon.COM> richard@gryphon.COM (Richard Sexton) writes: : >: How about the guy in _Computer Languages_ who has a full page add : >: selling stuff from comp.sources.misc and comp.binaries.ibmpc for : >: anywhere between $60 and $250 per pop. : > : >I have the February issue in my hands and there is no such ad. : : So I goofed. It's not _Computer Languages_, it's _Computer Language_. Yep, you goofed. : I had no idea there was another magazine with such a close name. That's because there is no such other magazine. : Anyway, it's the Februrary issue, Vol. 6 Nr. 2 Right. That's the mag that I looked through. : I xeroxed the page and brought it here, but it doesnt have a : dopey page number. It's a full page ad, from the _Austin Code Works_ p.47 : (acw!info@uunet.uu.net) for a WHOLE HEAP of source code, from minix : to PC curses to Hershey fonts. Well, not only did you get the name wrong but you have the facts wrong. The Austin Code Works sells source code all right, but their most expensive product is not for $250, it is for $500. Neither of the $250 products they sell are available on the net. The PC curses they sell is *not* the same one as is on the net; in fact, there is an ad for the same product on page 75 of the same issue. Before you go making public accusations, you should check your facts. I'll also be sending this message to them and to the postmaster at your site. Now, shut up, go away, and hope we all forget your libel. --- Bill { uunet!proxftl | novavax } !twwells!bill
richard@gryphon.COM (Richard Sexton) (02/17/89)
Astute readers of the net will notice that this article is cross-posted to alt.flame. This is known in the industry as a ``hint''. You have been warned. If you go any further you give up any right to complain. Copyright 1989 by the free flame foundation. All rights reserved. I'm going to sue you and the imminent death of the net is herein predicted. In article <383@twwells.uucp> bill@twwells.UUCP (T. William Wells) busts a gut: >: > >: >I have the February issue in my hands and there is no such ad. >: >: So I goofed. It's not _Computer Languages_, it's _Computer Language_. > >Yep, you goofed. Yep. I goofed. Imminent death of USENET predicted. >: I had no idea there was another magazine with such a close name. > >That's because there is no such other magazine. Oh. Is there somebody we should *rush right out* and tell ? Or does this just mean the imminent death of USENET predicted ? >: Anyway, it's the Februrary issue, Vol. 6 Nr. 2 > >Right. That's the mag that I looked through. Phew. I so releived. Maybe the prediction of the imminent death of USENET was premature ? >: I xeroxed the page and brought it here, but it doesnt have a >: dopey page number. It's a full page ad, from the _Austin Code Works_ > p.47 >: (acw!info@uunet.uu.net) for a WHOLE HEAP of source code, from minix >: to PC curses to Hershey fonts. > >Well, not only did you get the name wrong but you have the facts >wrong. The Austin Code Works sells source code all right, but their >most expensive product is not for $250, it is for $500. Neither of >the $250 products they sell are available on the net. The PC curses >they sell is *not* the same one as is on the net; in fact, there is an >ad for the same product on page 75 of the same issue. Oh yes. Clearly I shold have a) ordered the software from ACW, b) obtained a UUNET account to get access to the archives, c) compared the two and got *right back to you* with the results. At any rate. Imminent death of USENET predicted. But I must thank you for pointing out that got the name wrong, by forgetting that pesky ``s''. I'm not quite sure how I'll live with myself. But, seeing what a fine job you are doing making sure everything on the net is correct, and has no *MISSING LETTERS* (after all, this could cause the imminent death of USENET). Since you did me this big favour, I promise I'll return the favour and follow you around the NET and make darn sure you dont forget any ``s's'' or post any mis-facts''. >Before you go making public accusations, you should check your facts. Christ, calm down before you burst something. An ad in a magazine with a UUCP address sells about 100 (NO I DIDNT COUNT THEM ! HORRORS! MORE MISTRUTH PERPETRATED BY THAT EVIL SEXTON!) source code offerings with some things that had gone over the net being listed just sorta stuck out in my mide, and fit the discussion that was ensueing at the time. Astute readers of the net will note that I did not pass comment on this. I have no feelings on the matter. I was just pointing it out as a fact germain to the discussion. No, thats not true. I just did it to piss you off. >I'll also be sending this message to them and to the postmaster at >your site. Ayuck ayuck ayuck. It is to laugh. Did you send one to Melvin Belli and the National Secutiry Agency as well? They will no doubt be *just* as interested. You really have no clue, as to how this works, do you ? >Now, shut up, go away, and hope we all forget your libel. I know you are, but what am I ? I know you are, but what am I ? I know you are, but what am I ? I know you are, but what am I ? I know you are, but what am I ? >Bill >{ uunet!proxftl | novavax } !twwells!bill >Currently residing at the Vermont State Home for the bewildered. -- "Hay hay, mye mye... rock an roll wil nevurr dye..." richard@gryphon.COM gryphon!richard@elroy.jpl.NASA.GOV decwrl!gryphon!richard killer!gryphon!richard ames!elroy!gryphon!richard
w-colinp@microsoft.UUCP (Colin Plumb) (02/17/89)
bill@twwells.UUCP (T. William Wells) wrote: > In article <12063@gryphon.COM> richard@gryphon.COM (Richard Sexton) writes: >> So I goofed. It's not _Computer Languages_, it's _Computer Language_. > Yep, you goofed. >> I had no idea there was another magazine with such a close name. > That's because there is no such other magazine. Um... there is. It's got a red-and-white cover with some spiral tower (tower of Babel?) whose bricks are "fortran", "PL/1", and such languages of yore. It's not a newsstand glossy, but a university library will probably have it. I've never really read it much, but it definitely exists. -- -Colin (uunet!microsoft!w-colinp) "Don't listen to me. I never do."
bill@twwells.uucp (T. William Wells) (02/18/89)
In article <677@microsoft.UUCP> w-colinp@microsoft.uucp (Colin Plumb) writes: : bill@twwells.UUCP (T. William Wells) wrote: : > In article <12063@gryphon.COM> richard@gryphon.COM (Richard Sexton) writes: : >> So I goofed. It's not _Computer Languages_, it's _Computer Language_. : > Yep, you goofed. : >> I had no idea there was another magazine with such a close name. : > That's because there is no such other magazine. : : Um... there is. It's got a red-and-white cover with some spiral tower : (tower of Babel?) whose bricks are "fortran", "PL/1", and such languages : of yore. : : It's not a newsstand glossy, but a university library will probably have it. : I've never really read it much, but it definitely exists. Oops. Sorry about the error. However, the relevant point is that the mag he was talking about *is* the mag I was reading. And that falsely and publicly accusing someone of committing something actionable is really stupid, not to mention antisocial. BTW, is the magazine any good? --- Bill { uunet!proxftl | novavax } !twwells!bill
richard@gryphon.COM (Richard Sexton) (02/19/89)
In article <397@twwells.uucp> bill@twwells.UUCP (T. William Wells) writes: >In article <677@microsoft.UUCP> w-colinp@microsoft.uucp (Colin Plumb) writes: >: >: It's not a newsstand glossy, but a university library will probably have it. >: I've never really read it much, but it definitely exists. > >Oops. Sorry about the error. However, the relevant point is that the >mag he was talking about *is* the mag I was reading. And that >falsely and publicly accusing someone of committing something >actionable is really stupid, not to mention antisocial. Do you consider yourself an expert in the field of stupid and antisocial? And I wasn't accusing anybody of ``committing something actionable'', I was merely pointing out that people sell collections of stuff from the net in more places that the Waterloo laser-set jokebook store. >BTW, is the magazine any good? Well it won't do YOU any good. If you're so bloody blind as not to be able to see a full page ad when you've admitted you have the magazine and have looked at every page, it's doubtful you'll be able to derive anything useful from it. P.S. Bill, it's also in the C language journal. Now, if I got that name wrong, Bill, use your imagination. It's the red magazine with the big `C' on the cover. A `C' is like a BIG circle with a break in it. Always glad to help out the short in the brain stem crowd. -- Lotus Super Seven Series III. Too fast to race. BYTE computer graphics photo layout cancelled. Too many Amiga entries. richard@gryphon.COM decwrl!gryphon!richard gryphon!richard@elroy.jpl.NASA.GOV
bill@twwells.uucp (T. William Wells) (02/19/89)
In article <12272@gryphon.COM> richard@gryphon.COM (Richard Sexton) writes:
: >BTW, is the magazine any good?
:
: Well it won't do YOU any good. If you're so bloody blind as not to
: be able to see a full page ad when you've admitted you have the
: magazine and have looked at every page, it's doubtful you'll be able
: to derive anything useful from it.
Well actually, you asshole, I *am* blind. Legally, anyway. But I read
over a dozen magazines a month. And I knew which ad you were
referring to, having seen their ads for several years and in a number
of magazines, and knowing that there was no other ad that even came
close to your description. But you asserted that:
<11954@gryphon.COM>
: How about the guy in _Computer Languages_ who has a full page add
: selling stuff from comp.sources.misc and comp.binaries.ibmpc for
: anywhere between $60 and $250 per pop.
And that is not true. While the Austin Code Works does sell some
stuff that looks like it might be available over the net, the most
expensive such item is priced at $50 (SuperGrep, it could conceivably
be based on one of the greps that's been posted, though I'd ask
someone before I asserted that as fact). And the most expensive such
items that I am reasonably sure of (Bison, FLEX) are only $25.
Consider, also, the $250 lines from the ad:
PC Curses (Aspen, Software, System V compatible, extensive documentation) $250
^ Right there, whose source it is
Greenleaf Business Mathlib... $250
^ Right there, whose source it is
A cursory examination plus a little knowledge of the net was
sufficient to let me know that ACW wasn't doing anything out of line.
You, on the other hand, didn't really examine the ad, or possess
little knowledge of the net, or just didn't think. Be that as it may,
you falsely accused them of selling net stuff for $250 per.
And as for your justifying your action by saying that it would have
been difficult to tell that the $250 items were not from the net,
first, as my excerpt from the ad shows, that is bullshit; and second,
consider this: it would be much more difficult for me to discover
that you don't eat dog turds for breakfast, therefore it would be OK
for me to broadcast that over the net as if it were fact?
Of course not. Nor should you have asserted that someone was selling
net stuff for $250 a pop without checking the facts.
Or maybe you think that it is OK to post unfounded assertions as
fact? Well, in that case, I think I'll respond in kind, starting with
your sex life. Let me know.
---
Bill
{ uunet | novavax } !twwells!billrichard@gryphon.COM (Richard Sexton) (02/19/89)
In article <401@twwells.uucp> bill@twwells.UUCP (T. William Wells) writes: ><11954@gryphon.COM> >: How about the guy in _Computer Languages_ who has a full page add >: selling stuff from comp.sources.misc and comp.binaries.ibmpc for >: anywhere between $60 and $250 per pop. > >And that is not true. While the Austin Code Works does sell some >stuff that looks like it might be available over the net, the most >expensive such item is priced at $50 (SuperGrep, it could conceivably >be based on one of the greps that's been posted, though I'd ask >someone before I asserted that as fact). And the most expensive such >items that I am reasonably sure of (Bison, FLEX) are only $25. > >Consider, also, the $250 lines from the ad: > >PC Curses (Aspen, Software, System V compatible, extensive documentation) $250 > ^ Right there, whose source it is >Greenleaf Business Mathlib... $250 >^ Right there, whose source it is > >A cursory examination plus a little knowledge of the net was >sufficient to let me know that ACW wasn't doing anything out of line. Define ``out of line.'' >You, on the other hand, didn't really examine the ad, or possess >little knowledge of the net, or just didn't think. Be that as it may, >you falsely accused them of selling net stuff for $250 per. > >And as for your justifying your action by saying that it would have >been difficult to tell that the $250 items were not from the net, Alright. They only sell *cheap* stuff from the net. I don't really care about the price, the point I was making is that they were an example of somebody making money of stuff posted to the net. I will accept that their higher priced stuff didnt come from the NET. I'll take your word for. I recant. Mea culpa. I'm sorry. Blast me with a phasar, whatever. >Or maybe you think that it is OK to post unfounded assertions as >fact? Well, in that case, I think I'll respond in kind, starting with >your sex life. Let me know. Sure, I'd like to hear that. And besides, the assertions was not completely wrong. Inaccurate perhaps, but the basic premise was still valid. If you had said: ``the NET stuff is the cheap stuff in the ad'' (ie, you not being entirely accurate) instead of ``name names or shit up... there is no such ad'' (ie. you are completely wrong) it sure would have resolved this earlier. Of course, as I have said before, I don't really care what acw do. -- Lotus Super Seven Series III. Too fast to race. BYTE computer graphics photo layout cancelled. Too many Amiga entries. richard@gryphon.COM decwrl!gryphon!richard gryphon!richard@elroy.jpl.NASA.GOV
snahas@td2cad.intel.com (steven nahas) (02/24/89)
In article <12195@gryphon.COM> richard@gryphon.COM (Richard Sexton) writes: > >But I must thank you for pointing out that got the name wrong, by forgetting ^^^ As humble as you may purport to be, Mr. Sexton, I do not believe that is strong enough justification for omitting the first peson singular form the text. >that pesky ``s''. I'm not quite sure how I'll live with myself. But, seeing >what a fine job you are doing making sure everything on the net is >correct, and has no *MISSING LETTERS* (after all, this could cause >the imminent death of USENET). Since you did me this big favour, ^^^^^^ >I promise I'll return the favour and follow you around the NET ^^^^^^ >and make darn sure you dont forget any ``s's'' or post any >mis-facts''. > Really, Richard, I don't think adding a letter here and there quite correctly compensates for your recent ommissions of the letter "s". Of course, I stand corrected if this posting goes outside continental US, and you are in advance receipt of my utmost sincere apologies. >Christ, calm down before you burst something. > >being listed just sorta stuck out in my mide, and fit the discussion ^^^^^ You gotta code or sumpin? >that was ensueing at the time. Astute readers of the net will note ^^^^^^^^ Yes, astute readers of the net will note... > >I know you are, but what am I ? >I know you are, but what am I ? >I know you are, but what am I ? >I know you are, but what am I ? >I know you are, but what am I ? > i'm rubber, you're glue, et fuckin cetera on you.
allen@sulaco.Sigma.COM (Allen Gwinn) (02/24/89)
In article <1564@td2cad.intel.com> snahas@td2cad.UUCP (steven nahas) writes: [stupid spelling flame deleted] >As humble as you may purport to be, Mr. Sexton, I do not believe that is >strong enough justification for omitting the first peson singular form >the text. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Steve, just for your records I wanted to let you know that you misspelled 'frst' and 'sngular'. You were supposed to have received a memo via email telling you that executive decision had removed the letter 'i' from these two words... ...sorry, I was under the opinion that we sent it to all pesons. -- Allen Gwinn sulaco!allen DISCLAIMER: My opinions are mine, not yours. "My brain has the intellectual capacity of a much-enlarged walnut" -Mark Corscadden