[news.admin] I fear any new group creation/deletion scheme will be worse

root@panchax.gryphon.COM ("root", "postmaster" and "usenet") (04/01/89)

In article <445@flatline.UUCP> Eric writes:
>In article <3010@looking.UUCP> brad@looking.UUCP (Brad Templeton) writes:
>>Replace it with what?  The next posting says.  If you have a real
>>replacement, let's hear yours, too.
>
>Not having read the next posting...
>
>A cabal.  Not a backbone cabal, but a siteadmin cabal.  A mailing list
>limited to "root", "postmaster" and "usenet" at each site on the Usenet.
>
>Anyone wanting a new newsgroup would have to convince a site's usenet
>admin (needn't be their *own* siteadmin, just any site admin) to bring
>it up on the mailing list.
>
>Site admins would "vote" on newgroup creation, with the vote count/names
>posted to news.admin (or wherever).  Summaries of mailing list traffic
>could be regularly posted to news.whatever.

This is great Eric. You can sit there in your basement with your 3B2,
and I can site here in my bedroom with my Amiga, and together we
can take this network over.



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david@ms.uky.edu (David Herron -- One of the vertebrae) (04/03/89)

In article <2153.AA2153@panchax> root@panchax.gryphon.COM ("root", "postmaster" and "usenet") writes:
>
>In article <445@flatline.UUCP> Eric writes:
>>Anyone wanting a new newsgroup would have to convince a site's usenet
>>admin (needn't be their *own* siteadmin, just any site admin) to bring
>>it up on the mailing list.
>>
>>Site admins would "vote" on newgroup creation, with the vote count/names
>>posted to news.admin (or wherever).  Summaries of mailing list traffic
>>could be regularly posted to news.whatever.
>
>This is great Eric. You can sit there in your basement with your 3B2,
>and I can site here in my bedroom with my Amiga, and together we
>can take this network over.

(Eric has a 3B1 --- big difference there!)

But how do you expect to fight against me?  I have *BOTH* a 3b1 *AND*
an Amiga in *my* bedroom (weeell.. actually they're in the next room which
used to be my ex-roomie's (now vnend@phoenix.princeton.edu) bedroom, but
that's just picking nits).  I *alone* have twice the power that either
of you have!!!!   Come over to the dark side of the net and feel the POWER!
HA HA HA HO HO HO HEE HEE HEE!!!  WOOH HAA!

um, oh sorry ...


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erict@flatline.UUCP (J. Eric Townsend) (04/04/89)

In article <2153.AA2153@panchax> root@panchax.gryphon.COM ("root", "postmaster" and "usenet") writes:
>This is great Eric. You can sit there in your basement with your 3B2,
>and I can site here in my bedroom with my Amiga, and together we
>can take this network over.

It's a 3b1, actually.  And yes, that's the idea:  Those who pay the bills
or who answer to those who pay the bills get to make the rules.

If you don't like the rules we make, buy yourself a unix box, and you
can help make the rules.

(This is not a devious plot to increase AT&T's sales of Unix products.)
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erict@flatline.UUCP (J. Eric Townsend) (04/04/89)

In article <11403@s.ms.uky.edu> david@ms.uky.edu (David Herron -- One of the vertebrae) writes:
>(Eric has a 3B1 --- big difference there!)

Yep.  Mine is in a stylin case, making it the perfect movie prop. :-P

>But how do you expect to fight against me?  I have *BOTH* a 3b1 *AND*
>an Amiga in *my* bedroom (weeell.. actually they're in the next room which
>used to be my ex-roomie's (now vnend@phoenix.princeton.edu) bedroom, but
>that's just picking nits).  I *alone* have twice the power that either
>of you have!!!!   Come over to the dark side of the net and feel the POWER!

Actually, this is a good point (of sorts).

There'd have to be a mechanism that prevented somebody like Greg Hackney
from voting once from each system in his subdomain.  (Greg is the SWB
High Lord Muckity Muck Usenet Person. :-)

Or, Reid at decwrl could decide to arbitrarily hate a newsgroup I suggest,
and vote against it with all of DEC, er Digital's, computers (while 
releasing rmgroups from each machine as well).

Oh well.
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richard@gryphon.COM (Richard Sexton) (04/05/89)

In article <461@flatline.UUCP> erict@flatline.UUCP (J. Eric Townsend) writes:
>
>If you don't like the rules we make,

Fortunately Eric, you havn't made any rules for me to like or dislike.

>buy yourself a unix box, and you can help make the rules.

Thats odd. Every unix system I've worked with DIDN'T COME WITH
a little form to fill out to register me to be able to make the
rules. Was I gypped or what ?

Of course neither did the Amiga at home who is at this very minute
polling for news and mail. Without unix! Must be some sort of
hallucination or something.

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erict@flatline.UUCP (J. Eric Townsend) (04/06/89)

In article <14241@gryphon.COM> richard@gryphon.COM (Richard Sexton) writes:
>In article <461@flatline.UUCP> erict@flatline.UUCP (J. Eric Townsend) writes:
>>buy yourself a unix box, and you can help make the rules.
>Thats odd. Every unix system I've worked with DIDN'T COME WITH
>a little form to fill out to register me to be able to make the
>rules. Was I gypped or what ?


No, you just have to call Customer Support and pretend that you're a VAR
for a while, and they finally admit that there is such a form, and
that they will mail it to you in a couple of years (if they feel like it).


>Of course neither did the Amiga at home who is at this very minute
>polling for news and mail. Without unix! Must be some sort of
>hallucination or something.


Touche.  The "unix box" above should read "netnews capable machine".

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