[news.admin] Old articles reposted: the saga continues

Makey@LOGICON.ARPA (Jeff Makey) (08/12/89)

It's happening again!  Below are the message-ids of 70 articles that
originally appeared about June 30 but have been reposted with a date
of August 8.  They all include

rochester!rit!tropix!moscom!ur-valhalla!uhura.cc.rochester.edu!sunybcs

in their Path: lines, and none of the articles are in the alt
hierarchy.  I find it easier to simply delete the offending files than
to generate local cancel messages for them.

I wish this would stop.

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                           :: Jeff Makey

Department of Tautological Pleonasms and Superfluous Redundancies Department
    Disclaimer: Logicon doesn't even know we're running news.
    Internet: Makey@LOGICON.ARPA    UUCP: {nosc,ucsd}!logicon.arpa!Makey

Makey@LOGICON.ARPA (Jeff Makey) (08/13/89)

Here's another 100 message-ids of old news that has reappeared with a
date of either July 22 or August 8.  These articles all have

     rit!tropix!moscom!ur-valhalla!uhura.cc.rochester.edu

in theirs paths, which is slightly shorter than another path that was
implicated earlier (rochester was on the left end and sunybcs was on
the right end).  This set of 100 articles used about 200,000 bytes of
disk space.  I find these articles by grepping through the news spool
area for "tropix!moscom".  I have no proof that one of these two sites
is actually responsible, but the technique works for me.

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                           :: Jeff Makey

Department of Tautological Pleonasms and Superfluous Redundancies Department
    Disclaimer: Logicon doesn't even know we're running news.
    Internet: Makey@LOGICON.ARPA    UUCP: {nosc,ucsd}!logicon.arpa!Makey

news@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Network News) (08/16/89)

In article <524@logicon.arpa> you write:
>It's happening again!  Below are the message-ids of 70 articles that
>originally appeared about June 30 but have been reposted with a date
>of August 8.  They all include
>
>rochester!rit!tropix!moscom!ur-valhalla!uhura.cc.rochester.edu!sunybcs
>
>in their Path: lines, and none of the articles are in the alt
>hierarchy.  I find it easier to simply delete the offending files than
>to generate local cancel messages for them.
...
>                           :: Jeff Makey
...
>    Internet: Makey@LOGICON.ARPA    UUCP: {nosc,ucsd}!logicon.arpa!Makey

	67 of the 70 offending articles are in the misc hierarchy.  It appears
that we have a news loop here in Western NY, with old news occasionally
injected back into the larger net after its history records have expired.  With
a little inspired guesswork, I have deduced that some of the sites involved are
expiring history for at least the misc hierarchy at 7 days.

	I have already contacted the other sites involved and asked them to
check their history expiration period.  Since we are one of the sites involved,
I will accept WELL DOCUMENTED complaints of future occurances.  Please send
mail to news@uhura.cc.rochester.edu.  Mail directly to me on this topic will
probably be ignored.

				Scott Leadley
				UCC News Administrator
				news@uhura.cc.rochester.edu

Makey@LOGICON.ARPA (Jeff Makey) (08/29/89)

Here are the Message-IDs of another 330 articles (804 Kbytes' worth)
of old news that have resurfaced.  They all have

rochester!rit!tropix!ur-valhalla!uhura.cc.rochester.edu!sunybcs

in their path and are dated 15 August 1989, although they apparently
originated in the July 18-19 timeframe.  These duplicate articles all
arrived in San Diego during the afternoon of 25 August 1989.  Note
that moscom is no longer in the critical path, but that sunybcs has
returned.  I found these articles by grepping through the news spool
area for "tropix" in Path header lines.

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