[news.admin] CALL FOR DISCUSSION: New Voting Rules

bernstei@hpuxa.ircc.ohio-state.edu (Dan Bernstein) (10/22/89)

The time has come to pretend that this is a real issue, to be discussed
and voted upon like everything else in news.groups. (Should readers of
news.announce.newgroups hear about this? Greg?)

How about the following changes:

  1. Near the end of the discussion period, before posting a call for
     votes, whoever is planning to tally votes should post a NAME CHECK
     to news.announce.newgroups. The NAME CHECK should list all names
     proposed for the new group during the discussion period, in
     alphabetical order. This means that the name need not be settled
     during the discussion period, though settling it would be nice.
  2. The vote taker should accept mailed requests to add a name to the
     name list. At least three days after the initial NAME CHECK is
     posted, the vote taker should post his CALL FOR VOTES in
     news.announce.newgroups; the CALL FOR VOTES should list all
     proposed names for the new group, including those submitted by
     mail, in alphabetical order.
  3. Voters should list some or all of the proposed names, each
     accompanied by a YES, blank, or NO. YES and NO may have a
     number attached, indicating a ``weight''; the weight is 1 by
     default. A weight higher than 1 doesn't make that voter more
     important; it deemphasizes the names with smaller weights.
  4. To tally a single vote, the vote taker should divide the weight
     of the YESs by the maximum YES weight, and similarly for the NOs.
     (In other words, each vote can contribute any fraction between
     1NO and 1YES to each name.) Then he should add up all the YESs
     for each group, and add up all the NOs for each proposed name,
     taking fractions into account. The vote taker can ignore write-in
     names---that was the purpose of the NAME CHECK.
  5. Finally, the vote taker should subtract the total NOs from the
     total YESs, separately for each name; if the name with the highest
     margin has that margin 100 or greater, the group passes with that
     name. Otherwise, the group fails.
  6. The CALL FOR VOTES should announce the above rules.
  7. (This is a big jump:) If the question of moderation versus
     nonmoderation is not settled during the discussion period, it
     should be handled just like the question of names.

Thoughts:

A. This is a general form of approval voting (that's the name used by
   the Mathematical Association of America for their successful version),
   STV, the Australian system, the vote-often system, Dan's system, or
   whatever you want to call it. The weights eliminate the failures of
   the other variants that have been discussed. For example, if you want to
   indicate that you approve of rec.aquaria, rec.fish, and rec.aquarium,
   are neutral towards comp.society.aquaria, and dislike sci.aquaria:

     rec.aquaria YES
     sci.aquaria NO
     comp.society.aquaria      (this line could be left out)
     rec.fish YES
     rec.aquarium YES

   If you really prefer rec.aquaria and only feel slightly inclined
   towards rec.fish, and consider comp.society.aquaria a lesser evil
   than sci.aquaria:

     rec.aquarium YES3    (YES^3, 3 YES, YES YES YES, or whatever)
     rec.aquaria YES4
     rec.fish YES
     comp.society.aquaria NO
     sci.aquaria NO 5

   And so on. The idea is that the voters can precisely express how
   happy they'd be with each name.

B. What do people think of the moderation idea? For example:

     rec.humor.funny (mod Brad) YES
     rec.humor.funny (unmod) NO
     rec.humor.stupid (mod Shmoe) NO
     rec.humor.stupid (unmod) NO

C. There should be some way to deal with idiots who submit a hundred
   different names for a group, and shout ``illegal vote!'' if the
   vote taker ignores them. Will this be a problem? Also, is three days
   long enough to make sure that write-in names get in?

D. I don't think wildcards are worth the fuss: it doesn't take that long
   to write ten YESs or NOs, and the main argument for wildcards---to
   support write-ins that you haven't heard of yet---is moot. Do people
   agree that we don't need wildcard votes?

E. In case the rules change from, e.g., margin to percentage, this
   system stays intact.

F. Should there be a way to vote, e.g., with all the YESs having weights
   under 1? How often are people only slightly satisfied with any of
   the names---but satisfied enough to say YES? Does that even make
   sense?

F. Is this simple enough for the typical novice voter to understand?

In a few weeks, if all goes well, somebody should post a call for votes
on this issue, with the explicit reminder that the votes are for
information only. Of course, this isn't really a new group issue, and
the guidelines don't really apply, so after we get results we'll have to
sit back and think about what they mean. (What a concept.)

By the way, let's keep this discussion in news.groups, not news.admin.

---Dan Bernstein, brnstnd@acf10.nyu.edu, bernstei@hpuxa.ircc.ohio-state.edu