[news.admin] Flames and why not

ccc_simon@waikato.ac.nz (Simon Travaglia) (02/06/90)

In article <K:E1U34xds8@ficc.uu.net>, jeffd@ficc.uu.net (jeff daiell) writes:
> ..on flames.  But I would like to point out some legitimate reasons for
> flaming:
> 
> (1) To point out that a bad idea is bad.  Sometimes, one has to repudiate
>     a bad idea with emphatic language to get the point across.

Like going loony so that people will look at you, then saying what you mean
Worked well for the guy who killed Lennon

> (2) To alert those who might be unfamiliar with the flamee as to the
>     flamee's unsavory motives, 
Lacking ESP, I can only a person what I THINK anothers motives are..

>     ...a knowledge of the individual might well make look less savory, it
>     would be perfectly legitimate to post a flame as that that individual's
>     character and motives.

In other words, give the person no chance to change, persecute them on what
you know of their past?

> Since it is
> unrealistic to expect them to show restraint (it's been tried!), a

I don't know, I'm giving it a go now.

What purpose has flaming anyway?  It gives people a chance to get on a high
horse and (often) use language that they haven't had an excuse for previously.
So you can expect it from people whose arguements are so patchy they need a
bit of verbal violence to take the audience's minds away from their imcomplete
propositions

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rissa@attctc.Dallas.TX.US (Patricia O Tuama) (02/07/90)

In article <66.25cd4ad7@waikato.ac.nz> ccc_simon@waikato.ac.nz (Simon Travaglia) writes:
>In article <K:E1U34xds8@ficc.uu.net>, jeffd@ficc.uu.net (jeff daiell) writes:
>>     ...a knowledge of the individual might well make look less savory, it
>>     would be perfectly legitimate to post a flame as that that individual's
>>     character and motives.
>In other words, give the person no chance to change, persecute them on what
>you know of their past?

We call this net.vigilanteeism.  I've asked Jeff about it twice and
apparently he thinks it's a fine idea.  I've been unsuccessful in
ascertaining whether he thinks this tactic should be applied to him
but the fact that he refuses to answer my questions pretty much says
it all.

>What purpose has flaming anyway?  It gives people a chance to get on a high
>horse and (often) use language that they haven't had an excuse for previously.

Not necessarily.  To quote Harry Ugol and Dale Cook:

	....a.f is not for heated discussions but is instead for 
	creative and witty name-calling and other mindgames...
		<1115@male.EBay.Sun.COM> harryu@warpten.Central.Sun.COM 

	Some of the best humor on the network appears as good flames.  
	Some of them are witty, urbane, clever and downright funny. 
		<10988@encore.Encore.COM> cook@encore.com 

There does seem to be a lot of posturing going on here from netters
who write flames but who insist that because they do not post to a.f
or use four-letter words that what they write is not inflammatory.  

	"But sun it is not, when you say it is not,
	 And the moon changes even as your mind.
	 What you will have it named, even that it is..."