[news.admin] call for votes: news.software.c

kjones@talos.pm.com (Kyle Jones) (06/27/90)

This is the first call for votes for a new unmoderated newsgroup,
news.software.c, which will host discussion of the "C news" news
transport system.  Bug reports, patches (official and unofficial), and
general Q&A will all be welcome in this new group.

Send votes to kjones@talos.pm.com.  If that address fails, use
kyle@cs.odu.edu as an alternate.  State clearly whether you are in
favor of or against the creation of the new group.  The voting period
ends 12am, Sunday, 22 July 1990.

brian@ucsd.Edu (Brian Kantor) (06/27/90)

Are Henry and Geoff still opposed to the creation of a group to discuss
their news software?
	- Brian

lear@turbo.bio.net (Eliot) (06/28/90)

In article <1990Jun27.131235.28472@talos.pm.com> kjones@talos.pm.com (Kyle Jones) writes:

> This is the first call for votes for a new unmoderated newsgroup,
> news.software.c, which will host discussion of the "C news" news
> transport system.

It is not.  No call for discussion nor call for votes was ever posted
to news.announce.newgroups.  If you are going to follow the guidelines
at all, then follow them.  Otherwise, don't waste everybody's time
with a vote.  Just create the damn group.
-- 
Eliot Lear
[lear@turbo.bio.net]

henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) (06/28/90)

In article <14647@ucsd.Edu> brian@ucsd.Edu (Brian Kantor) writes:
>Are Henry and Geoff still opposed to the creation of a group to discuss
>their news software?

I think I speak for Geoff as well on this one, although I haven't
actually checked with him...  We're not so much opposed to it, as
utterly unconvinced that it will be worth the trouble.  A renamed
group for all the transport systems would make more sense.  n.s.b.
is hardly a high-volume group.  If n.s.c. splits off, probably half
the traffic will be cross-posted, and a good bit of what isn't
cross-posted will be stuff that *should* be.

We think it's kind of silly and pointless, but we are not going to
jump up and down about it, or stop answering postings in protest.
(We may get a bit terser about pointing people with routine problems
to either our documentation or the Nutshell handbook, but that will
happen anyway, for unrelated reasons.)  (Fatigue, mostly.)
-- 
"Either NFS must be scrapped or NFS    | Henry Spencer at U of Toronto Zoology
must be changed."      -John Osterhout |  henry@zoo.toronto.edu   utzoo!henry

kjones@talos.pm.com (Kyle Jones) (06/28/90)

Kyle Jones writes:
 > This is the first call for votes for a new unmoderated newsgroup,
 > news.software.c [...]

Eliot Lear responds:
 > It is not.  No call for discussion nor call for votes was ever posted
 > to news.announce.newgroups.  If you are going to follow the guidelines
 > at all, then follow them.  Otherwise, don't waste everybody's time
 > with a vote.  Just create the damn group.

On June 12 the call for discussion for news.software.c was sent
to news-announce-newgroups@uunet.uu.net, and was posted
separately to the newsgroups news.admin, news.software.b, and
news.groups at that time.  After the article failed to appear in
news.announce.newgroups for several days, I resent the article to
the moderator on June 18.  On June 19, the call for discussion
appeared in news.announce.newgroups here.

This reconstruction of events is not just from memory; I have
dated copies of all the messages in question.

So, Eliot, are you saying that the following article was a
forgery?  If any admins out there have a sufficiently long expire
time for news.announce.newgroups, please verify the existence of
the attached article <9006121457.AA15196-x@talos.pm.com> on your
system.  Failing that, check for the message-ID in your history
file.

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This is a proposal for a new unmoderated newsgroup, news.software.c,
which will host discussion of the "C news" news transport system.  Bug
reports, patches (official and unofficial), and general Q&A will all
be welcome in this new group.

rsalz@bbn.com (Rich Salz) (06/29/90)

I voted no, and I encourage others to do so also.
	The name is misleading -- "Oh great, this is where I can ask the
	    Usenet news groups about my C program"
	The existing traffic is low.
	Many of the problems are compatibility issues
	Both systems benefit from cross-fertilization

Others people have also made these points.
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